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Lohengrin At La Scala

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Opening post by thallo

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Tomorrow is the big day, Saint Ambrose.

La Scala opens what should be the last year with Lissner alone in command. That is, before the 2015 contract expiration, it seems someone else will join him. And why? Because the Milanese are unhappy with his management.

Yet another reason for dissatisfaction: the opening of next season with "Lohengrin" by Richard Wagner. In a year, 2013, which is the bicentenary of the birth of Giuseppe Verdi...

Here is a poll... http://www.ilcorrieremusicale.it/sondaggio-verdi-o-wagner-per-la-prima-scaligera-vota/ and you know how to vote...

Here, for those interested, a mini-guide to Lohengrin http://www.ilcorrieremusicale.it/lohengrin-alla-scala-il-nostro-dizionarietto/

http://www.ilcorrieremusicale.it/sondaggio-verdi-o-wagner-per-la-prima-scaligera-vota/http://www.ilcorrieremusicale.it/lohengrin-alla-scala-il-nostro-dizionarietto/

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Reply 2 by Frank

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...maybe they will perform Verdi at Sant'Ambrogio from 2013

I know it's not the same thing at all, but I felt like writing it

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Reply 3 by LucianoP

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Frank wrote:

...maybe they will do Verdi at Sant'Ambrogio of 2013

I know it is not the same thing at all, but I felt like writing it

You're joking, but maybe it's the classic stroke of genius from someone who perhaps actually thought "2013" ... "centenary" for next year :... (

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Reply 4 by Carlos

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La Scala's 2012-2013 season is truly interesting: 15 operas, 6 ballets, Lohengrin, the complete "Ring", Falstaff, Aida, Oberto, Nabucco and other titles... Regarding the controversies surrounding the opening of the Verdi/Wagner bicentenary with a Wagner opera, last night Lissner responded that the best answer was the enthusiastic turnout of the under-30 audience at the evening and the result of a wonderful performance. Wrong. Had they performed Bizet's Carmen just as well, there would have been just as much of an audience, but the question would remain.

Enough with provincialism and barroom chatter; it is not about being nationalists or stubbornly tied to one's origins, but, with all due respect to Wagner, I wonder if it isn't logical to expect from the greatest Italian opera house in the world that, precisely during the bicentenary of Verdi, that very theater should open with Verdi. The usual "blah blah" of "oh, how boring: always Verdi!" does not apply in this case; not this year! Let's pretend that 2013 had been the Verdi/Debussy bicentenary... do you think the Opéra de Paris would have opened with Otello or with Pelléas et Mélisande? And if it had been the Verdi/Tchaikovsky bicentenary, do you think the Kirov would have opened with Don Carlo or with The Queen of Spades? We all know the answer. The problem, I am sorry to say, is solely in the people. And handing the greatest Italian opera house over to a French superintendent and an Argentine director with dual nationality (Argentine and Israeli) who studied in Germany... well, it might not be insufficient, but it certainly does not help the most obvious choices regarding the repertoire.

That being said, nothing takes away from the fact that Barenboim's Wagner will be sensational, undoubtedly more so than his Verdi, which has been widely contested. Could he have let another conductor open with a Verdi opera? Why not? In '76, Claudio Abbado left the podium on December 7th to a conductor who had expressed the desire to come to La Scala with Otello; Abbado gave up that title, already scheduled for the opening, and let his colleague conduct it. That colleague was Carlos Kleiber, and that was one of the greatest "Otellos" in history. Sometimes one is remembered even if one takes a step back, and certainly one less "premiere" would not have overshadowed the already established fame of a conductor like Barenboim.

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Reply 5 by thallo

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I do not agree with Carlos. That is, different opinions from mine are legitimate, but I see it in a different way.

I think that today in Italian opera houses there are few opportunities to produce beautiful Wagnerian spectacles, due to a lack of money (staging Wagner is heavy and Wagnerian casts are few), due to musical deficiencies in the orchestras, due to musical deficiencies in the conductors, and due to deficiencies in the audience.

La Scala can afford it and must do so. Especially from a production perspective.

That is, an explanation for those who perhaps do not know how some things work in the theater. An opera can be a new production or a revival. If I do a new production, I conceive a show from scratch, with new sets, new costumes, and new direction. If I revive a show, I already have the costumes and the sets; I will hire a director who will stage the show but who will not conceive anything new. Theaters like La Scala have dozens of excellent productions already in their repertoire. Many of these are revived, especially when talking about operas with great public appeal, namely Verdi, Rossini, Donizetti... a revival costs less than a production, but some revivals become a sign of a theater's success.

At Sant'Ambrogio, new productions are staged. And regarding new productions of, I don't know, Otello or Aida or Il Trovatore, I don't feel the need. La Scala has done them all in recent years, and they were more than decent. What La Scala is doing in these years, instead, are new Wagner productions, which are being very successful. Tristan und Isolde has already been revived several times, and this year's Tetralogy is entirely a revival. Rather than another Rigoletto, I prefer Lohengrin. Moreover, it should be a beautiful Lohengrin, because it probably has the best cast possible today (or at least one of the best), and playing Wagner to Italian orchestras can only do them good.

Even more so (and here do not read my message as a response to Carlos, because it is not) I do not like the attitude of many "well-to-do" Milanese who see Lissner-Barenboim's choices as an insult to the city. The theater reflects the city but is not owned by the city. Milan today is not made up of the Milanese of yesteryear; it is a cosmopolitan city that is trying to modernize itself once again after a sad recent past of non-existent cultural policies. La Scala is facing a change in audience that is succeeding, and I am happy, like Lissner, that there has been public success among young people. I do not think that, in this sense, a comparison can be made between "Lohengrin" and "Carmen"; many of my friends would go to see Carmen paying out of their own pockets and would not go to see Lohengrin even for free. If a sell-out is achieved today at the (highly criticized) premiere of La Scala's opening, it is also thanks to Lissner.

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Reply 6 by Frank

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Aside from sharing Carlos's post, today I was in Ricordi (central Milan), and in front of me, within about a quarter of an hour, at least 4 customers took home various little things ranging from opera booklets, specialized books, etc., specifically regarding Lohengrin.

To take it badly, despite the crisis, money is being spent... strange for an audience of "discontents." You will say, they must not be Milanese... and indeed...

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Reply 7 by Tenore

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Wait and see, everyone has the material on Verdi by now... and it was needed to get the economy moving

I understand Carlos and I don't blame Thallo

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Reply 9 by Frank

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CanCan wrote:

... but still this rivalry between Verdi and Wagner ...

I don't remember when or where I quoted the preface of Giorgio Bagnoli's book: "Le opere di Verdi" [The Works of Verdi]:

"A contemporary of Richard Wagner, both born in 1813, Verdi dominates, along with him, the scene of European musical theater in the second half of the 19th century.

Born into the poverty of a peasant family, he will always remain connected to these origins, to the land of Parma. A simple and open soul, but also subject to profound existential crises, endowed with great humanity, Verdi is, from a human and character standpoint, profoundly different from Wagner, who was fully aware of his own superiority as a genius artist. [...]"

"Superiority as a genius artist" of Verdi over Wagner... a sibylline phrase ...

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Reply 10 by thallo

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the phrase, in my opinion, refers to Wagner, who, although never taking sides against Verdi (at least not that I remember), claimed to be a genius.

But we are talking about two very different types of theater. And as complex as the discussion regarding the Wagner-Verdi relationship may be, let us also remember that Verdi's last two operas were heavily influenced by Wagnerian style.

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Reply 11 by Carlos

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Regarding the "rivalry" between Verdi and Wagner, I would archive it immediately: it doesn't seem to be the topic of this thread, nor would it make any sense. If Prokofiev had been there instead of Wagner, we wouldn't have spoken of a Verdi/Prokofiev rivalry... and that is not what is being discussed here. Case closed.

Regarding thallo's point, I definitely agree with the fact that a theater that can afford it should stage new productions, and I know very well that La Scala in Sant'Ambrogio does new productions. Fine, perfect: not this year. Or, if we really must, let's do a new production of, I don't know? Falstaff? Simon Boccanegra? I don't know, but also no: this year is not like other years and the routine must be broken. A year like this will happen in 2063 (or in 2051, if you want the sesquicentennial of his death), who cares if "La Scala in Sant'Ambrogio does new productions"? 2013 is the bicentenary of Verdi's birth. La Scala's habits are interrupted and then they start again next year. Maybe you don't feel the need for a new production of Otello, Aida, Trovatore... so what? I didn't feel the need for a new production of Don Giovanni last year (especially THAT Don Giovanni!) but whatever...

It is wrong, and not because "La Scala does not belong to the Milanese". That is obvious, but I am not from Milan, so what does that have to do with it? La Scala is the most important Italian opera house in the world, and in the bicentenary of the two greatest opera composers of the 19th century—since coincidentally one of them is Italian—the choice to be made was different. I am the first to detest provincialism, but this choice hides a snobbish attitude that just doesn't sit right: "we'll show you how cool we are by opening with Wagner".

Dafterward, before anyone suspects that I am saying these things because I am from Parma and therefore acting out of pride, I want to assure you that if Puccini had been there instead of Verdi alongside Wagner, I would have said the same things. Just to prevent any potential "finger-wagging"...

PS: As for the sentence quoted by Frank, thallo is right: it is Wagner who is "all-encompassing in his own superiority as a genius artist", not Verdi, who instead is described as being endowed with a "simple and open soul (...), endowed with great humanity".

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Reply 12 by Tenore

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Swiss Radio is broadcasting a truly special edition of Reteduecinque live; guests such as pianist Davide Cabassi, the composer and director of the G. Verdi Conservatory in Milan Sonia Bo, the timpanist of the Teatro alla Scala Orchestra Gianni Arfacchia, soprano Margherita Guglielmi, and the founder of the Milano Libri bookstore Anna Maria Gandini will take turns at the microphones to make the approach to the evening concert even more intriguing.

Live streaming: http://www.rsi.ch/li...layer-rete2.cfm

For enthusiasts, Lohengrin will be broadcast on Rai5, and in high definition on Rai HD

http://www.rsi.ch/li...layer-rete2.cfm

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Reply 13 by thallo

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meanwhile, I have just sadly discovered that "Lohengrin" will not be streamed on Rai5, but only on TV...

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Reply 16 by Dino

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"Do you really like Wagner?" "Of course, although every time I hear him I feel like invading Poland!" [Woody Allen]

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Reply 18 by CanCan

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Racchi wrote:

A pity also for Mameli's anthem ...

"A pity" in the sense that they could have spared it? ... it had already been avoided at the beginning ...

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