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Score Reading: Is It Necessary?

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It looks like the classic provocative question: "Score reading: is it necessary?" but it doesn't want to be.

I witnessed an interesting debate between some composition and conducting students and a couple of professors (not score reading professors, obviously).

They were discussing exactly the usefulness of "Score Reading". From my point of view, nowadays, it is completely useless... for many historical and technical reasons:

- once upon a time it made sense because reducing an orchestral score was a way to circulate music that could decently fit on 10 fingers

- practically modern symphonic music is unplayable with only 2 hands

- etc.

But more than one person argued that in all conservatories in the world, this subject exists for conductors, so it cannot be done without it. I thought it was an exclusively Italian limitation. What do you say to me?

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Reply 2 by Dino

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It certainly does not help to develop the inner ear and improve aptitude for instrumentation/orchestration. Creating a reduction (then why demonstrate it extemporaneously and not on paper? This also forces one to stay within the limits of the presumed "keyboardist"... see any clarinetists who would aspire to become conductors) probably forces analysis, but it can be done perfectly well in an analysis course (precisely).

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Reply 3 by Carlos

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It is useless. To study a score, you need the score and a good ability to internalize it, and the more complex the score, the less possible it is to perform it at the piano. That is to say, when it would eventually be more useful to have an "immediate" overview, this is made impracticable by the complexity of the score. No one finds difficulty in reading a simple Mozart symphony at the piano, but what is the point? It would be useful to be able to read (but really read and all parts, eh!) the Alpine Symphony, but... and anyway, in any case, what is obtained by reading a score at the piano is a flattening and a timbral uniformity that certainly does not help with memorization. If someone wants to get an idea of "how a score sounds" (since this is the most popular argument from supporters of its utility), they take a good CD, listen to it with the score in front of them, and there you go. Then, away with the CD and start studying! This is from my point of view, that is, someone who studies scores in order to conduct them. If instead we are talking about being able to synthesize a score (or part of it) to extract harmonic paths, stripping away doublings and surrounding parts - I am therefore referring to the work of a composer - well, perhaps the discussion changes, but based on how the LdP course is structured, it seems that one must learn to read Bartók's Concerto for Orchestra at the piano in time and playing all parts, which, it goes without saying, is pure nonsense (always IMHO, obviously).

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Reply 4 by Tap

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I was expecting content along these lines, we are perfectly aligned but...

Ok for Italy, we are always slow on certain things; but is it your understanding that in the main conservatories of the world (let's say European) such subject matter is present (I am referring to directors)? If so, do you have any idea of the approach they propose? And anyway, if useless (and surely other countries are forward-thinking on these issues) ... why persevere?

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Reply 6 by pianistamaggiorenneDi38

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Schoenberg says in one of his books that it is not only important how a piece sounds, but also the aspect it has on paper. Only those who know how to understand, understand.....

An example: by looking at a score, I already understand the musical structure and how the motifs are developed. I am talking about tonal music and not necessarily long pieces.

Furthermore, even from a piece with many parts, one can extract the most important things, the harmony, the motifs; a few months ago I took a MIDI of Schubert (Ständchen),

i opened it with a music notation program and it was an absolute mess: almost nothing could be understood, but after a few adjustments in the program I removed the thirty-second notes

although it is a piece for piano and voice in four-four time, I had already understood the harmony by playing very little. Of course, it is not a modern piece of serial music (music that does not interest me), but from here to saying that the score is perhaps useless

In my opinion, those who say it is useless still have much to learn, at least at a level that goes beyond performance; in fact, I see plenty of pianists who know nothing about harmony, let alone in Italy....

in the end, a piece of music must be understood from many perspectives, not just the performative ones

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Reply 7 by Tiger

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pianistamaggiorenneDi38 wrote:

Schoenberg says in one of his books that it is not only important how a piece sounds, but also its appearance on paper. Only those who know how to understand, understand.....

...let's say it also depends on the type of music

pianistamaggiorenneDi38 wrote:

although it is a piece for piano and voice in four-four time, I had already understood the harmony by playing very little. Of course, it is not a modern piece of serial music (music that doesn't interest me), but from here to saying that the score is perhaps useless

Aside from "modern piece of serial music," I didn't understand what was meant by "Reading the score is not "the score""

... therefore

pianistamaggiorenneDi38 wrote:

In my opinion, those who say it is useless still have much to learn

The "score" or "reading the score"? [Higher course (it's being said, eh!) absolutely useless that is proposed in the conservatory]

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Reply 8 by Barbara

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I hope I've chosen the right place...

I am trying to follow a score but there are ten parts, and it is going a bit beyond my ability to keep everything under control. More than anything, there are intricate vocal parts that intertwine with the instruments, and after a few measures, only the bass helps me understand where I should be reading.

Naturally, I try to mentally isolate each vocal part one at a time, but nothing; after a while it "disappears" from my field of attention.

Is there some methodology I can apply, or do I have to solfeggio every part separately, or something else?

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Reply 9 by Carlos

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Well, maybe you should try to better understand what is being discussed and clear up for yourself what "score" means... then we can talk about it again, okay?

signed: the one who "still has much to learn"

pianistamaggiorenneDi38 wrote:

[...] although it is a piece for piano and voice in four-four time, I had already understood the harmony by playing very little. Of course it is not a modern piece of serial music (music that doesn't interest me), but from here to saying that the score perhaps serves no purpose at all

In my opinion, whoever says it serves no purpose still has much to learn, at least at a level that goes beyond performance [...]

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Reply 10 by Carlos

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"To follow" in what sense? Do you have to conduct it? Do you listen to the music with the score in front of you? What score is it?

Barbara wrote:

I hope I've chosen the right place...

I am trying to follow a score but there are ten parts, and it goes a bit beyond my ability to keep everything under control. More than anything, there are intricate vocal parts that intertwine with the instruments, and after a few bars only the bass helps me understand where I should be reading.

Naturally, I try to mentally isolate each vocal part one at a time, but nothing; after a while it "disappears" from my field of attention.

Is there some methodology I can apply, or do I have to sight-sing every part separately, or something else?

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Reply 11 by Barbara

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Carlos wrote:

"Following" in what sense? Do you have to conduct it? Do you listen to the music with the score in front of you?

Listening to music with the score in front of me (it is not a case of conducting)

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Which score are we talking about?

BWV235... the gloria

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Reply 12 by Carlos

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The Gloria from the Mass in G minor is rhythmically very uniform, so I suggest you identify, perhaps before listening to it, the rhythmic pattern (especially in the instrumental part) by observing only a few measures (really just three or four; more won't be useful). After that, once the orchestral rhythmic "pattern" is clear in your mind, observe only the vocal part when you listen to it and focus solely on that. If the pre-listening phase was effective, you should be able to "perceive" the instrumental part along with the vocal part, even without necessarily having to read it on paper. If you can't do it, stop and start over: it is not useful to go all the way through if you already get confused after just a few measures. And, if you have to start over, try repeating the preliminary phase (i.e., observing a few measures), but this time observe the vocal part; try to imagine it, but only that, in your mind, and strive to find it again when you listen to the recording. It is work that requires time at the beginning, much like when decomposing passages on an instrument. Do not get discouraged.

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Reply 13 by Barbara

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I would like to give you some feedback immediately Carlos, indeed working as you suggest the first 4 bars sound better... you know that I am a drop in the ocean?

That is to say, if I don't memorize everything I will hardly be able to follow, therefore... it would almost take me a lifetime to do everything... but one can always improve

Anyway thanks!

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Reply 14 by Carlos

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Memorizing is not necessary for following along. What I suggested you do should help you develop the so-called "knack." But, if I were you, seeing as you have so much difficulty, I would practice with things that you can keep under control with a glance, such as string quartets or chamber music in general (trios, quintets...). If one had to memorize to follow along, it would take six months just to listen to the first act of Tristan und Isolde! I read the other question, the one regarding tonality: well, it seems to me that following a score is a marginal problem compared to the other, certainly more important, problem of acquiring harmonic awareness, no matter what anyone says... However, as you say, there is room for improvement!

Barbara wrote:

I would like to give you immediate feedback Carlos, indeed working as you suggest the first 4 bars do better... do you know that they are a drop in the ocean?

That is, if I don't memorize everything it will be difficult to follow, ergo... I would almost need a lifetime to do everything... but one can always improve

Anyway thanks!

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Reply 15 by Corrado

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As Carlos knows, because he kindly helped me in another thread, I have to take the exam this very year for the AFAM Three-Year Degree in Composition.

In my opinion, the practice of score reading is not completely wretched and useless. First of all, we must ask ourselves the question "for what purpose am I reading a score?". I believe the main cliché surrounding this topic needs to be debunked: that reading as much as possible on the keyboard helps one understand better (or alternatively, reading as much as possible mentally while listening to the piece from a CD or live). Who cares about reading everything, really? Let me explain: at the moment I perform a reading of the written text, such an action will never return to me the totality of the aesthetic event; unless men are born with eyes composed like flies, the visual field is one and at most expands a little with practice, as demonstrated by speed-reading techniques applied to writing; therefore, reading ten or twenty staves one after another will always be a partial, selective act, through critical "glances," a core sample with specific analytical objectives. There will be moments when I am interested in evaluating how the author treated the accompaniment of double basses or contrabassoons; there will be times when I want to delve into how they use the brass, whether for harmonic pedals or if they bring them out in a figurative and more concerted way; there are times when it is important for me to analyze timbral combinations, doublings, the use of the extension of a particular instrument, instrumental sound emission techniques, harmonic choices, tonal paths, a dodecaphonic series, macro-formal aspects, structural elements, the use of the voice... the knowledge and perception of the totality of the piece will therefore derive from a process of successive steps that join one another in a mosaic of progressive awareness.

In short, I don't think there is even any sense in posing the problem of reading that sees everything, understands everything simultaneously in one single stroke, magically (hence the absurdity of the practical exam; I would understand more from a test where they asked me: "Listen, try to give us an idea of the harmonic treatment in these two pages", or "let us hear the opposition between the melodic parts of this passage and the lines that perform the function of harmonic support", or "which rhythmic elements do you think are important at this point? Use the keyboard to hint at the passages you consider characteristic of the writing adopted by the author", or even "Which transposing instruments are in this ensemble? Play their parts in real sounds" and so on, which is then the work one would do at home to study a piece, having to, for example, conduct it, analyze it, explain it to students in class, etc.). So, seen this way, the approach to the text via the keyboard has its own function; let's not forget that Score Reading is also about getting used to accompanying oneself by humming a sung part with the voice, something extremely useful for collaborative pianists, for anyone who wants to teach singing, wants to analyze opera and Lieder, but also needs to play in duos, trios, etc., with other instruments, because it opens the mind to listening to others and to listening to what one plays in relation to what others play or sing.

More generally, this path also helps to have that kind of musical "ease" in handling materials and the keyboard, that overall ability to "make music" which, together with improvisation and acoustic perception, should be a fundamental characteristic and objective of academic studies, so to speak, but which is not always valued in training paths; for this reason, one often hears light music or jazz musicians mocking classical musicians, accusing them of being musically clumsy and incapable of playing if they don't have their beautiful score written out line by line in front of them.

To Barbara, I would therefore say not to worry, do not live with the myth of a multi-level reading of a Mahlerian score that occurs in the sacred and unique instant of a single passage; think about maturing the cultural and critical tools necessary to be able to realize, and thus appreciate, and thus to be intelligently moved by the aesthetic content of a musical text through a process that happens over time, which is evolutionary, growing, moving forward, going back on itself, retracing and ruminating infinitely, deepening, discovering new things every time. A moment will come when finally, reading a score perhaps while listening to its performance, you will have the perception of a whole that is unitary and at the same time articulated, but because you will have discovered it through a fascinating composite journey.

As for academic courses, given what the Ministry has messed up in recent decades, I don't think there is much to be happy about and we will have to"}

continuing to take somewhat silly exams on debatable study programs...

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Reply 16 by DrJellyfish

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Carlos wrote:

It's useless.

Hi old oak! You've put me a bit on the spot, I thought it served some purpose. Of course, I work in a slightly different field than yours, but sometimes it has been useful to be able to perform a synthesis of the score at the piano to try out a passage with a singer or a soloist, or to let a section hear the sound of a sequence of chords.

It is also true that to hear how a piece sounds (assuming it is necessary) it is sufficient to listen to a recording, but what about an unreleased work? Furthermore, I generally prefer to form my own idea first, and only subsequently listen to other versions; imprinting is lurking ;-).

In the end, perhaps I am old school, but I think that a conductor or, above all, a composer should be autonomous in reading the score, and should not have to resort, if they want to understand how a piece sounds that is particularly difficult from a harmonic point of view, to a CD or a computer.

Clearly, this is a synthesis; it is obvious that it is not possible to reproduce exactly everything that is written, but I believe that this study further develops reading, the ear, the ability to quickly see which are the most important parts, the doublings, and indeed the ability to synthesize the harmonic and rhythmic structure of the piece. Of course, if I were Beethoven, I wouldn't need it... ;-)

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Reply 17 by Frank

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Good morning Doc!

DrJellyfish wrote:

In the end, perhaps I am old school, I think that a conductor or especially a composer must be autonomous in reading the score

Let's do this: try to complete the sentence this way "without the aid of the piano". You will see that everything works except for "something" ... try to guess?

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Reply 18 by DrJellyfish

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Well that would be ideal, but in fact sometimes it's necessary to have a sonic idea and resorting to a playback seems to me a bit of a limitation...

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Reply 19 by Frank

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Sure Doc, but you'll admit that Mahler's Symphony of a Thousand on the piano is BEYOND the limit

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