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Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli teaches and plays Mompou and Chopin in Arezzo 1960

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Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli teaches and plays Mompou and Chopin in Arezzo 1960

It is a video more unique than rare: ARTURO BENEDETTI MICHELANGELI TEACHES AND PLAYS, a Cancion by Mompou

and the Waltz op. posth. (Waltz called "Tyrolean") in the documentary that in 1960 the brilliant director Manuer Lualdi (friend of ABM) filmed in Arezzo, where the Maestro held his perfection courses. For the record: the young pianist playing Debussy at the beginning is Isacco Rinaldi, my cousin-in-law

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It seems like a good video to share with pianist friends to celebrate Ferragosto

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Reply 2 by Assia

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Dear Frank, nothing more light & sweet....I thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing the scent of Ferragosto into the air with these melodies...

I can no longer find the list of your musical suggestions that I used to listen to...and it could also be lovely to have some of your pieces as a "composer" if it is permitted by the forum statutes...

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Reply 3 by Frank

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Assia wrote:

i can no longer find the list of your musical suggestions that I used to listen to...

This is the list of initiatives dedicated to forum members

Composition workshops index

which you can find featured in the Workshops section; some of my tracks related to the forum initiatives should still be available... besides, there will be other occasions or I will send you some references privately.

or perhaps you were referring to the musical diary? Which you can find featured in the Classical Music section

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it is provided for in the forum statutes...

Of course it is provided for, see the section 'I wrote this myself'

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Reply 5 by mike

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The waltz in E-flat op. posth. played by Benedetti Michelangeli is not a waltz, but a Ländler, and it is not by Chopin, but by an unknown author.

The attribution to Chopin should be considered an oversight by the scholar Ferdynand Hoesik, who found the manuscript in an album by Emila Elsner that contained other pieces by Chopin.

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Reply 6 by Chopin

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@Mike

I haven't seen the video yet, but did you write this because Michelangeli claims something different?

Sources regarding the information you reported on the forum?

Thanks

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Reply 7 by mike

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I don't know what Michelangeli maintained about this "waltz."

Mine is just a clarification regarding the discussion title: "Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli teaches and plays Mompou and Chopin (?) in Arezzo 1960":

I derived this information from: "Chopin - Gentlemen, this is the catalogue!" by Claudio Capriolo and Giorgio Dolza.

From the great ABM, I would expect something more demanding rather than Mompou's little tune and an apocryphal Chopin waltz!

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Reply 8 by Rach3

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Mike, should we deduce that from Gould playing Bach's two-part inventions there is nothing to be learned?

Aparte the expectation of a great performer, don't you think that there is always something to learn from a great performer...? For me, it is so...

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Reply 9 by ttw

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mike wrote:

The Waltz in E-flat op. posth. played by Benedetti Michelangeli is not a waltz, but a Ländler, and it is not by Chopin, but by an unknown author.

The attribution to Chopin should be considered an oversight by the scholar Ferdynand Hoesik who found the manuscript in an album of Emilia Elsner that contained other pieces by Chopin.

But was this already known in 1960? In half a century, all sorts of things happen... perhaps at the time there were effectively no specific studies capable of proving it wasn't by Chopin.

Besides, the topic title seems to be the video title; I doubt that if there was something to know... AMB wouldn't have known... but even the greats commit naiveties and to tell the truth, this seemed like a pleasant video to me.

Let's just say it's a little piece of history...

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Reply 10 by Lestofante

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Thanks Mike, I really didn't know anything about it... I really thought it was by Chopin

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Reply 11 by mike

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Rach3 wrote:

Mike, must we deduce from Gould playing Bach's two-part inventions that there is nothing to be learned?

Aparte the expectation of a great performer, don't you think that from a great performer there is always something to learn...? For me, it is so...

Even for me, being a simple amateur, there is always something to learn, but a great performer should also have duties towards culture, and from what I know ABM has totally and deliberately ignored a vast repertoire of great cultural depth to spoon-feed us Mompou's little songs!!!

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Reply 13 by Shark

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mike wrote:

from what I know, ABM has totally and deliberately ignored a vast repertoire of great cultural depth

Probably he moved based on his own tastes; perhaps everyone would have liked to hear him play Xenakis's Herma...

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