Fingering and problems

Bach, Italian Concerto BWV 971 and Allemande BWV 815.

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Opening post by maquieto

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I am attaching a photo since I am trying to remove the pedal from the German [edition] and starting the study of the Italian concerto. If I manage to read the first movement by the end of the year, it will become... the New Year's concert..

At most, I will post some study sketches.

At the moment, I am interested in knowing whether the fingerings used are good or not.

Measures where I find the fingering a bit strange and difficult in the German [edition] are: (no. 7 with fingers 5.4.3.5 and 1.2.1)--------(no. 8 with 5.3.4.2) --------(no. 9 sliding passage with the thumb from G-flat to F).

For the Italian concerto, I have put some removable marks to facilitate reading.

Thanks in advance for the advice.

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Reply 2 by antares86

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On the German [fingering], would I put 4 on the E-flat? And put it back on the D.

For the concert, I don't like the fingering at measure 10 at all; on the C it's passable... But personally, I would change it; on D I would put the thumb on the second E and on the D, you have two thumb passages but I think it is more comfortable.

Anyway, remember one simple, simple thing: in Bach, the leaps are almost all staccato, in most cases

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Reply 3 by maquieto

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Thanks, I'll see you tomorrow then. But which measure of the German are you talking about? The second one? Keep in mind that I play it on the piano and I'm looking for legato... even if you will hate me..

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Reply 5 by antares86

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1-2-1, do you say the middle voice? In fact, a thumb pass there is a bit tricky; I would try 3-2-1 maybe... Or 2-1-2

At measure 8, since I am more of a harpsichordist now, I would put 4 on the B-flat and then 2-3-2-1

Oh heavens, who is fingering this?!?!?!?! Hahaha, the sliding is horrible there, I would use 2-1 maybe.

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Reply 7 by antares86

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No but Demus always used to say that if there is a fingering that really sucks among various ones, you'll find it in the scores ahahahah

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Reply 9 by nancy

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Don't look at me strangely, but the fingerings in the Allemande don't seem horrible to me... they come naturally to me this way. But it depends a lot on the hand and technical habits... and in the concerto I wouldn't change those indicated at all....

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Reply 11 by maquieto

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Yes, I also agree with Nancy, even though I find difficulty in some passages due to my own habit, perhaps a bit too severe, of holding held notes all the way through with the finger; therefore, many times when holding the sopranos with the pinky, I experience a bit of stiffness. I noticed that Paolo said in one of his posts not to overthink the held notes with the fingers but to help oneself with the pedal in a relaxed way, so as not to make the diction less fluid. I also keep in mind that Antares has a different type of approach than ours... more historical and philologically researched. Anyway, I will take a look at what needs to be done and will provide a summary. I am also waiting for Simone, Paolo, and the others

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