J. S. Bach

Bahrami's Bach

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dear all,

yesterday, as part of Pianocity 2017, I listened to Bahrami playing Frescobaldi and Bach.

two toccatas by Frescobaldi, and then for Bach he played, from the WTC first book, the prelude in C, the prelude & fugue in C minor, then a transcription of the aria "on G string", and finally the entire Partita 1 in B-flat.

So: an execution far above the norm, striking, Bach-Busoni style. But on the other hand, he was dealing with an audience that was there more with jazz-like expectations. So last night that approach could also fit. Even if I didn't enjoy it so much.

I come to the question: what is wrong with his way of interpreting Bach?

I like Bahrami's Bach. I am not thinking, obviously, of last night's performance but of his recordings of the Goldbergs, the complete Partitas, The Art of Fugue. Since in the past in this forum I have read everything about Baharami. And since I am not an expert in Bachian interpretation, is there someone among us who could kindly enlighten me as to what is wrong with Bahrami's Bach?

I would appreciate suggestions for comparative listening with performers who, unlike Bahrami, those who might suggest them consider their Bach executions to be exemplary. However - excuse me - not just simple video links, but a few words (or even more than two, which I would appreciate) about this or that passage that Bahrami performs poorly and the other performer performs as God intended (as Bach intended).

thanks in advance!

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Reply 4 by Ettore

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LucaCavaliere wrote:

Thank you, but I had already read it at the time.

It doesn't seem to me that it has improved

> I come to the question: what is wrong with his way of interpreting Bach?

There are many insights in the topic I indicated to you, even

LucaCavaliere wrote:

I would appreciate suggestions for comparative listening with performers

comparative listenings, someone dared, American-style.

...if I had to invest money to buy music ... I wouldn't give it for one of his recordings.

Let's do the opposite, which exquisitely Bachian performer do you not like?

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Reply 5 by LucaCavaliere

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Ettore wrote:

...if I had to invest money to buy music ... I wouldn't give it for one of his recordings.

Well... I figured as much.

On the other hand, doing the opposite doesn't appeal to me. If not for the mere fact that I made a request (not an implausible one) and I find myself with a counter-request. It would cost me nothing to reply to you by writing a first and last name. But if there is no one who can explain something to me in the terms I requested in my first post... we might as well close the topic. I will survive.

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Reply 6 by Thesimon

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When they say putting your face on the line.... You will soon understand why... I propose two examples to you before starting to talk about one and the other, and I beg you to listen carefully to both before reading what I have written. I'll make a premise: I deliberately chose Sokolov's LIVE interpretation since a live performance certainly presents a series of greater difficulties compared to Bahrami's studio recording. First of all, one is subject to errors that are instead erased by re-recording in the studio; the studio sound is certainly more satisfying in terms of sonic sensation, so for an equal performance, if I were to record Rubinstein simultaneously with studio recording microphones and with a cell phone from a remote place in the middle of the audience, I would certainly prefer the recording with the studio microphones... In essence, if I were to play the two recordings of the same person from the same concert to someone and ask them: "who do you think plays better between these two pianists?", they would all close their eyes and answer the first one (the one recorded with studio microphones), when in reality it is the same pianist simply recorded with two different microphones.

Listen...

Sokolov (it's the whole partita, but for an A/B test I have taken you directly to minute 20:10 where the giga begins).

https://youtu.be/tsPvZ1gB4s0?t=20m10s

Ramin Bahrami

Let's make the necessary considerations to answer your question, and since no one takes the trouble to say things as they are, I will take it upon myself, even at the risk of seeming haughty... Why does everyone have a problem with Ramin Bahrami? Firstly, because I feel I can freely express the following concept, regardless of appearing eccentric... He has a level of piano technique that I HAD PERHAPS in my third year of piano, probably even in my second, which was when I was 10 years old!

I wonder if a "pianist" (rightfully placed in double quotes since calling such a performer a pianist is an insult to all REAL pianists who have spent years studying and perfecting their piano technique) whom the media wants to pass off as "the son of Bach" can go around giving concerts all over the world with scandalous piano technique; I am ashamed for him, I don't know how he even has the face to act like a great performer!! The embellishments are a mess; I invite you to look up other pieces that have embellishments (it's not difficult in Bach), in the small groups nothing can be understood, in the trills he doesn't achieve a closure that is done properly; for this reason alone, if it were up to me, I would send him back to a serious Maestro to study piano technique properly, certainly not to go around acting like a handsome guy posing as a virtuoso, let alone being given the title of "the greatest Bach expert". His technical mediocrity comes through very clearly even in this piece from the first partita, where notes that are not perfectly equidistant in time can be heard unequivocally and clearly even by those who are not musicians, often crushed; and this giga might seem difficult but it is actually very simple, there aren't even embellishments, except for some mordent (the simplest form of embellishment there is) which he executes in an imprecise and approximate manner... You're wrong about me here too!! I believe I played it much better after 3 days of reading it. Perhaps Paolo still has the CD recording that I gave him just as he started reading it. If he still possesses it, I would ask him to post it.

Moving on to the interpretative parts... I only hear a jumble of notes played with extremely rigid fingers, hard as wood; I can even hear the wood of the hammer hitting the string! The classic dry strikes... Here, even the basics of sound production on the piano are missing, things that should come even before piano technique.

If this is the result after repeated studio recordings, in which the best parts were extracted and edited together, I don't even want to imagine what his live recording of this partita could be like.

There isn't an element of tension in the entire piece. This giga is played from beginning to end with lead on the fingers. There are no moments of relaxation or tension in the musical phrase; it's all forte, as if you took a MIDI recording and set all the "note" events to a velocity of 110.

Sokolov brought a very beautiful interpretation, perfectly capturing the character of this giga. Allowing himself breaths, creating tensions, with excellent piano technique, in a live recording, captured by a spectator with a microphone found inside an Easter egg.

I don't think I have anything else to add to my post, which I would consider extremely realistic...

PS. I found the recording... This is the recording of the match after 3 days of reading (attention: not the gigabyte, the whole match!), any inaccuracies are due to the fact that I was still reading the notes obviously and playing and recording live on a 500 euro digital keyboard, certainly not on a Steinway grand piano in a recording studio where I could fix whatever I wanted. The point is that I do engineering for a living when I would have wanted to be a pianist, Bahrami is a pianist, at this point perhaps because he isn't also an engineer...

http://www.simonerenzi.com/condivisa/partita.mp3

http://www.simonerenzi.com/condivisa/partita.mp3
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