Sample libraries

Bechstein Digital Grand

7 replies 2,187 views

Started by

giovannip

Member

Member

Opening post by giovannip

Posts
553

A new entry in the world of digital piano libraries. A new library for Kontakt has been on the market for about a month, this time offered to us by Bechstein Digital. The sampled model is the D282 Grand Piano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-gZ9TgMee4

Administrator

Reply 2 by Thesimon

Posts
4,504
City
Ariccia, RM

I heard it in the studio, it is very, very beautiful!! If set up correctly, it can produce a sound very similar to that of a real concert grand piano. I believe they have implemented a system for sympathetic resonance reproduction quite similar to what I was designing for a library. They probably sampled the sympathetic resonances individually. I was working on an algorithm that would pass the sympathetic samples to the player based on the keys pressed, in different percentages, referring back to the spectroscopies derived from measurements of individual sympathetic sounds. Given the realism, I believe they opted for a solution like this, but I think they didn't take dynamic contributions into account because if you look closely, all the sympathetic resonances have the same volume. But at least in theory this is not possible since the dynamics of the sympathetic samples depend on physical factors, such as string tension, and their relative position to the generation of the fundamental sound that sends them into sympathetic vibration. The matter is particularly complex... To find a law upon which to formulate a correct algorithm, all sympathetic vibrations would need to be compared note by note, for every key of the piano, essentially 7744 possible combinations. In reality, even this is an oversimplification, since, as I probably haven't had the chance to test yet, if an entire chord is played, there would be sympathetic vibrations with different contributions compared to the sympathetic vibration transmitted by a single string or unison. If one were to do things the way they should be done, probably the computers we have today would not have the necessary speed to process and replicate such a quantity of data in real time, because the problem is not so much the processing as doing it at run-time.

Anyway, the library is very beautiful. In the video, rewinding it several times, I was focusing on the Mid-Side capture mode. It is a very clever thing because the sound of the piano varies greatly depending on spatialization. So being able to switch from a true-mono capture to a true-stereo one simulates somewhat what is done with microphones when recording the piano, by adjusting the angle of incidence of the capsules.

I think I will buy it immediately, so that I can perform some more tests. It would be interesting to have a demo to try it before purchasing it.

Member

Reply 3 by giovannip

Posts
553

Aaah! well, so we are at a turning point with this new library, it seemed to me to understand that they will continue to work on it, not by chance it is called "Bechstein Digital 1.0" and it is probable that there will be updates in the future.

I also think they have taken into account the current computers available to the average user, and did not "push" too hard so as to give everyone the possibility to benefit from this product. In any case, a computer with very precise characteristics is required; we are talking about USB 3.0 inputs and solid state drives.

P.s. clearly I would like to buy it immediately, but since you want to do it too, I am waiting for your official response

https://soundcloud.com/bechstein-digital

https://soundcloud.com/bechstein-digital

Administrator

Reply 4 by Thesimon

Posts
4,504
City
Ariccia, RM

Well, it's clear that if you intend to put a product up for sale, you must try to offer a fairly wide range of uses; let's not forget that we aren't working for glory. If you make a product too selective, you risk having invested a lot only to sell to a few and make very little back. The SSD factor is a must by now; if you want to have responsive libraries, especially if the number of samples is very high and the weight of a single sample is heavy, in the end, you are forced to opt for fast drives.

Member

Reply 5 by maquieto

Posts
665
City
Massa Carrara

I am very interested in this issue. Complex but interesting.

What can be found regarding Steinway? If I'm not mistaken, in a post you had included a 1929 Steinway? Possible... I remember incorrectly... Clair de lune... Debussy..

Knowing if these libraries can then be passed via MIDI to traditional digital pianos... when I have one....

Thanks in advance.

Log in to participate