L. V. Beethoven

Beethoven and the unheard

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Opening post by OrlandiArmando

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Dear forum users,

Trapped at home under a blanket of thick snow, here is a service announcement:

On February 23rd at 9 PM, at the Teatro San Teodoro in Cantù - Como, a concert of unpublished - or very rare - music by our Ludwig will be performed.

In the program:

1) Friedrich Witt - Symphony in C major "of Jena" (attributed to Beethoven) Adagio, Allegro vivace – Andante – Maestoso – Allegro

2) Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827) Violin Concerto in C major WoO 5 Allegro con brio

3) Overture for the opera Macbeth

4) Symphony in E-flat major no. 10 (reconstruction based on autograph notes) Adagio sostenuto – Allegro.

Having been part of the Macbeth reconstruction team (in the very distant - alas, 2000), I will be present at the concert. (we are in the front row) For those who wish to have further information, here is the link: http://www.teatrosanteodoro.it/beethoven-x-linaudito/

A great opportunity to listen live to extremely rare music and ---- who knows ----- to see each other in person. A similar concert will be organized here in Genoa in June 2013, with the Italian WP of the Hess 15 concerto. (details for this concert in the future).

Anyway, I will record everything and make it available to everyone:

"A shared sorrow is a sorrow halved. A shared joy is a joy doubled".

A prestissimo!!!!

Armando--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.teatrosanteodoro.it/beethoven-x-linaudito/

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Reply 2 by Azzurro

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OrlandiArmando wrote:

Anyway, I will record everything and make it all available to everyone:

Thank you!

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Reply 6 by OrlandiArmando

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Carlos wrote:

Well alright, but the Tenth has also already been recorded...

Well, there are only four recordings (an ugly but inevitable word; in this context it sounds like the incision made to the plague buboes in the 1600s) and I don't think it is that easy to hear it live. I did so in Rennes in 2002, for the premiere of Macbeth. Anyway (see the other topic, correctly cited by Elfo) it does not leave one indifferent.

Valchiria wrote:

... perhaps there are different levels of credibility for which "some" have lost "face"

He will answer directly to Euterpe or Macuilxochitl or whoever they may be......

I will reflect on the levels of credibility, it seems like a good observation to me.

The concert, however, should be listened to especially for that "Anhang 1" symphony which is actually by that wonderful musician named Witt. Too neglected, but an excellent craftsman of music.

See you soon!

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Reply 7 by danielescarpetti

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The same premise made in that other post applies here too, dear Armando!

You must admit that it is, if nothing else, a bit forced to claim that it is a "concert of unpublished - or very rare - music by our Ludwig," when in reality the only true Beethovenian hand is the Concerto in C+ for violin and orchestra WoO 5, which however stops at measure 259 of the first movement and requires, nonetheless, the intervention of a third hand that, I imagine, is the highly convincing one of your dear friend Roberto Tiem Tigani.

As for the rest – once again I apologize to you – but I wonder: what is the use of padding the Beethovenian catalogue in such an "apocryphal" way when it certainly does not need help.

There are beautiful Beethovenian overtures that are true masterpieces, and I am referring in particular to Opus 62 Coriolan, Opus 72a "Leonore 3", Opus 84 Egmont incidental music and above all, let me say, that great jewel which is Opus 124 "The Consecration of the House," about which I wonder – perhaps Carlos, in his capacity as conductor, can give me an answer – why it is so snubbed in symphonic music concerts and CD recordings. Even Maestro Chailly, when recording the complete Beethoven symphonies with the metronome markings dictated by the composer at the end of 2011, omitted it, preferring others of much lesser quality. This piece of music, lasting about 10 minutes, is found in the Beethoven catalogue between those two colossi: on one side the "Missa Solemnis" Opus 123 and on the other the Ninth Symphony Opus 125. It is one of the most astounding pieces of orchestral music conceived by Beethoven. Festive, majestic, sparkling music in which Beethoven wanted to pay homage to Handel, "the greatest composer who ever lived," according to the composer from Bonn.

First a quotation from the beloved composer, then the pianissimo of the winds in the introductory march, the maestoso sostenuto, the fanfare of trumpets and bassoons, and then the passage of the strings alone announcing the polyphonic creation of the allegro fugato with final brio where the sound asserts itself as pure force. And it is precisely in this final Allegro fugato where, more than in any movement of the Ninth, the Beethoven of the third style expressed himself in compositions for orchestral ensemble. That Beethoven who, had he lived, would have soon composed his Tenth and the Overture on the name of Bach, and with them would have further shocked and scandalized the musical world of the 1820s and the following decades.

And speaking of symphonies: but Armando, we have 9 that are all, in their distinct peculiarities, masterpieces, but tell me: what do we do with a cobbled-together tenth? And what do we do with this Jena Symphony in perfect galant style that I cannot stand? I understand that you love it as Antonio Bruers loved it... well, de gustibus!!

Ciao Armando, excuse me for everything, it's the flu!

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Reply 8 by Ismaele

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Never heard the Concerto WoO 5... and "obviously" there isn't the complete works of Brilliant...!

Can anyone tell me if any recording/registration can be found and where it might be obtained? Thanks in advance!

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Reply 9 by danielescarpetti

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Ismaele wrote:

Have you ever heard the Concerto WoO 5... and "obviously" there is no opera omnia of the Brilliant...!

Can anyone tell me if any recording/incision can be found and where it might be obtained? Thanks in advance!

Hi dear Ismaele, how are you?

Personally, I would recommend the one conducted by Tigani with Marco Rogliano on violin, published by the Bongiovanni house of Bologna, if it is still on the market. Contact them via their website and ask.

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Reply 10 by OrlandiArmando

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I wonder why when one tries to do something different (and I am just a little wildflower: I have no active part in this concert and we even bought the tickets... which I still have to pay for) such a fuss immediately arises.... mah! Anyway, nothing "excusatio non petita". Considering that I have already expressed my thoughts (negative as they may be) regarding the Tenth on the other topic, I express myself in absolute agreement with Daniele: Opus 124 is one of the absolute masterpieces of all Beethoven's production (and one of the very few examples of late-late orchestral works). However, looking at my little diary, it has been listened to 8 times in 10 years, few, but even once at the concert for the reopening of La Fenice. Daniele just added his reply, and I also tell you that Tigani's WoO 5 is excellent, but perhaps I could be accused of bias (anyway, the CD is out of print, but I should still have a copy or two), so I recommend the old Deutsche Grammophon recording with Gidon Kremer (Gidons Krēmers) on violin. As for expanding the catalogue, obviously B. does not need new works, but Art and research are made, continuing the work of Hess, Nottebohm, Thayer, and making accessible to everyone works that would not be available except for experts or, in the worst-case scenario, for those who can afford an average of 250 euros per book to consult the sketches. Finally, get well soon, dear Daniele! I know that the flu lowers the pH a lot: your 3.5 is too.... acidic!

AH! You are getting another response regarding the Witt! here you are completely off track.

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