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Beethoven "Für Elise" A Minor Arpeggio Problem

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Hello everyone,

First of all, huge compliments to Mr. Paolo and Simone for all the very instructive video lessons and for the Pianoconcerto website!

I'll get straight to the point: I have been studying piano since last September and these days I finished studying Beethoven's beautiful piece "Für Elise"

studied everything by memory, first hands separate then together and then adding the pedal... but I have a problem with the arpeggio of the final interlude

in A minor.

In practice, I cannot speed it up as I should, even though I can manage the arpeggio at low speeds with a metronome... can you advise me on how I can

study it more accurately?

Thank you and have a good day!

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Reply 2 by pianoexpert

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Dear Pianoscholar,

Congratulations and best wishes for embarking on the study of Music. Its world will merge with yours, and every time you are together, you will be "elsewhere" in the wonderful non-verbal language, walking on clouds.

Ok. Für Elise is a mandatory milestone for every pianist. Even a piece defined as easy is not easy... and "Für Elise" is not. First of all, the good balance between right and left hand, the great cantability of the central episode, and the phrasing! Correct rhythmic division and... atmosphere!!!

As far as the A minor arpeggio episode you are studying is concerned, it must be kept in mind that the tempo is the same!!!! It's true... many pianists perform it faster, almost to identify the passage as a "connection" before the "reprise," but it is not necessary, and perhaps not quite appropriate. One should try to play it in tempo.

If, however, we want to talk about speed, then you can try studying it faster... but not continuously. How? With a short pause on every beat (waiting for an empty metronome click) in two different ways; it is important!!!

1) stop at every beat and restart by repeating the notes (of the right and left hand together) from and to the arrival point. And so on. Try to play a bit fast within the pauses.

2) stop at every beat and restart going forward until the next beat, but without repeating the notes of the arrival point, instead starting FROM the arrival point. Try to play a bit fast within the pauses.

What is the advantage? One can observe which note and position errors the hand makes within the two pauses without sacrificing speed. I will give a lesson on this concept. I want to clarify and affirm here, however, that studying slowly does not always prepare one for speed and clarity at speed. Let's take an example. If we walk and cover 20 meters, our feet, our knees, our whole body perform certain movements. If we force ourselves to cover those 20 meters running, naturally our movements will be, besides being faster, also different. If we have to run, we cannot always practice and "train" by walking. In reality, the movements in speed, even for the hand, the arm, the wrist, the forearm, etc., are much more complex, but the advantage is that they are smaller and shorter in duration. Another world!

So for now and in the future: Prepare, yes, the piece by studying slowly and assimilating the notes with the correct fingering... but then observe speed... by studying with pauses.

Fast study with pauses does not "distort" what will happen in performance, but rather "dissects" the continuity of the performance and allows us to observe and correct the complexity of the movements.

Furthermore, later you will discover that the fingering chosen for a piece when playing it slowly is not necessarily appropriate or effective for the same piece played at the required speed.

I hope, even if very briefly, to have been of help to you and above all to have been clear. Let me know

Paolo

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Reply 3 by Dave

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Many thanks Mr. Paolo!

Absolutely everything is clear!

Just one last question for clarification: since I study a lot with the metronome by setting the time signature, as in this case 3/8, and the speed—for example 70 bpm or less—depends...

is it necessary that I gradually increase the metronome beats, or is it indifferent?

Anyway, I will immediately set to work studying it as you explained; the piano has stolen my soul, I can no longer do without it!

Anyway, my name is Davide ... have a good evening!

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Reply 4 by pianoexpert

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Dear Davide,

..anyway, yes, the metronome... but in this case it can also be left unused. I would suggest using the metronome.... but not abusing the metronome. One must also learn to do without it, precisely to learn... to manage time autonomously. Sometimes some musicians speak only in terms of metronomic values.......ahi, ahi, ahi.....Learn from the very beginning to "manage" time!!!

Generally, one increases the metronome speed when playing continuously... but in this type of study it is not necessary. Then....to tell the truth, some of us, including myself, are against using the system of increasing "the notches". Speed also stems, and above all, from relaxation, from the security of the notes, and from the economy of movement.

Try to make the movement fast already with relaxation between one beat and the next, as indicated. When you are sure about starting fast... then go.. and whatever happens you must reach the next stop. Then examine what happened. If it really feels like you aren't controlling anything, then lower the speed a little. You will succeed in executing, perhaps with inaccuracies....see where, reconsider, concentrate, and repeat. I have suggested this method to students and used it myself, and I have obtained good results.

Naturally, after fifteen minutes take a rest. It is a study that, at the beginning, can be very tiring.

Good work

Paolo

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Reply 5 by Francesco

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Eh, yes Davide. If my very humble experience might also interest you... the metronome is fine, but not too much... it's like sweets, too much hurts 🙂 !!

Anyway, I admire you for how much you manage (it seems to me I understood) to study with this mechanical-musical companion... enjoy your studies!! And, moreover, congratulations, it's not for everyone to study "Für Elise" in the first year of piano... I would have liked it, but I remember that the teacher I had back then told me it was a piece "not for the first year"... bah 😆😆🙂 ... and my last teacher even "forbade" me (in the fifth year 🙂 !!!!) Moonlight Sonata!!! ... which I am now studying on my own... Anyway, happy studying, bye!!

Francesco1797Paris

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