Beethoven's late quartets: bibliography

I forgot, Italian and English at most. No German!

In Italian, if I'm not mistaken, there is a study by Mila

Just released, on the occasion of the complete edition at the Società del Quartetto di Milano by Quirino Principe "Beethoven's String Quartets" published by Jaca Book Euro 25. He speaks not only of the late quartets but of the complete cycle of Beethovenian quartets. In my opinion, it is the best thing available on the subject.

"A fascinating essay that analyzes the philosophical, poetic, and visual models of Beethoven's string quartets and explores their musical territory and its boundaries".

Once again: I didn't write it like this. Who is Simone?

Thank you Ettore and Daniele, I will get the indicated material

danielescarpetti wrote:

Just released, on the occasion of the complete cycle at the Società del Quartetto di Milano, Quirino Principe's "Beethoven's String Quartets" published by Jaca Book, Euro 25. He speaks not only of the late quartets but of the complete cycle of Beethovenian quartets. In my opinion, it is the best thing available on the subject.

"A fascinating essay that analyzes the philosophical, poetic, and visual models of Beethoven's string quartets and explores their musical territory and its boundaries".

I bought it, among other things as suggested here

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/3990-buoni-feltrinelli/

being a book publisher, on Jaca Book (but also Mondadori for example), there is a 15% discount.

danielescarpetti wrote:

Once again: I didn't write it like this. Who is Simone?

A what are you referring to?

TheSimon wrote:

What are you referring to?

Nothing, actually Simone. They were problems - but I only realized it later - related to my translator which was making me read the message in a completely distorted way.

And as a good weight, Principe certainly visits the site, so much so that he cites—I would say almost verbatim—my description of the Anhang 2 quartets: (quoting verbatim from the textual quotation I am providing here (which is mine, after all!): ( http://www.lvbeethoven.it/Opere/Beethoven-Midi-Mp3-Quartetti.html#Anhang02 )

Other Beethoven compositions for String Quartet

It is recent news, spreading during the transition from 2013 to 2014, announcing the upcoming successful conclusion of a long and tormented research regarding 6 String Quartets (in C major, G major, E-flat major, F minor/major, D major, B-flat major), originally attributed, with many doubts, to Mozart. The Köchel catalogue classifies them in Anhang 291 a (C. 20-05); they should not be confused with the 6 Capricious Quartets (by Johann Mederitsch [Gallus). Marie-Olivier-Georges du Pare Poulain, Count of Sain-Foix, hypothesized that they were youthful works by Beethoven. Kinsky-Halm (.Anhang 2), Willy Hess (Anhang 7), Antonio Bruers (n. 300), and Giovanni Biamonti (note added to 11-44, p. 1054) discuss them in their catalogues. We hope that when this book is published, the truth will have been reached to a certain extent.

Well done, Quirino!

(I don't understand why they don't cite the sources! The sources! It's not like we're stealing their bones! Furthermore, at the end of the book (which is excellent, by the way), there is the usual list of books reported from other essays, which are reported from other essays, which are reported from other essays, which are reported from other essays, which are reported from other essays.... look at the dates! 1897 1903 1933.... Biamonti seems like a boy!)

Damn! BH made splendid publications in 2000, 2002, in 2010.... plus: webography: ZERO!

Musicologist brontosaurs!

Wake up!

OrlandiArmando wrote:

siteography: ZERO!

Musicologist brontosaurs!

Wake up!

As far as I know, siteography is actually frowned upon in musicological circles; what is actually published truly counts.

.... In fact, after ascertaining that the news contained in a given site is actually real and verified (Dani, I am not talking about the authenticity of the work itself but about truthfulness), these people report it but do not justify it.

That is to say, how to "elevate" content that is perhaps infected by the web, to a "higher" and therefore "academic" level (three obscenely unfortunate words, please forgive my use of them).

In other words, like saying "although contained in an internet site".... In reality, even BH has a website that no musicologist mentions (in Italy, Germany, and France, we are cited).

Principe, but also Della Croce, with whom we write regularly, the same Buscaroli... most worthy people, great thinkers (each with different nuances, but let's not go there) who were trained on old texts, which are always the same, and always the same, and always the same, and always the same, and always the same.......

We provide 1) year of publication, 2) placement, 3) source of sketches, 4) specialist publication (in fact, Principe cites Hess 29, Hess 33, Hess 30 and company). But do you see us buying "Supplemente zur G-A"?)

Forgive me for getting angry, but damn, look if he has read the beautiful publication by Julia Ronge from 2013! But no, Carli Ballola and Walter Riezler! Beautiful, but I used to go to the seaside in Noli in 1981, basically!

Internet sites are already the future, whether musicology likes it or not, and they have been the future since the end of the last millennium. They are updated; nonsense is said and then corrected in real time. Sketches, spurious works, multimedia content....

If we are talking about Aesthetics, then the field changes, but as far as historiography or musical archiving is concerned, we do not fear comparison. And even the "greats" who appear on sites, blogs, or forums like this, they MUST recognize us, and if they don't, it's a matter of bad conscience.

A hug, I have a cold, I'm going to sleep.

ps in a future post, an article by Luigi and me published in "Neue Beethoven Studien" volume 11 Carus Verlag, 2014. (here we are with sitographic citations)

ps ps

..... not to mention that the book is a reissue of the same one that appeared in Edizioni Anabasi Milano 1993 - ISBN 88-417-5010-3

with which it shares 60% of the content.

1993 - 2014 One of my two sons is 21 years old like the first book, but he updates himself daily and in real time!

Sitography applied to life??

OrlandiArmando wrote:

.. In reality, even the BH has a website that no musicologist mentions (in Italy, Germany, and France, we are cited).

And even the "greats" who appear on websites, their blogs, or forums like this one, they MUST recognize us, and if they don't, it is a matter of bad conscience.

Dear Armando,

i personally, like many others, enjoy the fruits of your research work, and I acknowledge it. Simply... thank you! An enormous thank you.

For everything you highlight (bad conscience, lack of citations of sources, ignored webography...) I share your bitterness.

How sad, how pitiful, how base.

is it enough to just throw up one's hands and say - once again - "it is what it is: we are in Italy..."?

Perhaps it is not the right attitude. But nothing else comes to mind.

Good work!

to you and to everyone