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Better a new upright or a used baby grand?

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Opening post by Ross

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Hello everyone!

First of all, let me introduce myself: I am almost 40 years old and I play the piano, with many ups and downs, as a hobby since I was a child, although never at an excellent level. I have no ambitions of being a concert pianist, nor any desire to return to the Conservatory.

At my parents' house, I have always played a 110 cm Schimmel upright, which I am very happy with. Now having to get a piano of my own for my new home, where I am the only one playing, with a maximum budget of €6,000, I am very torn between:

- A new Kawai K200 with the Any Time AX2 system from the factory;

- A used 155 cm Schimmel 1/4 grand from 1982, which I would buy from a private individual, a former Conservatory student.

The prices of the two instruments are equivalent, even if the conditions are certainly not the same (on the new one, I would have a 5-year warranty and 2 years on the silent system; 2 tunings and transport included; etc.).

I live in a semi-detached house in the countryside, with my husband and a baby on the way. This is also where the idea of choosing a silent piano comes from, so that perhaps I could play it while the baby is resting or in the evening after work. Unfortunately, a piano with a factory silent system forces me to choose between Yamaha and Kawai. While recognizing the technological superiority of the former (especially regarding the SH and TA systems), I prefer Kawai for its sweeter, more mysterious timbre and generally better suitability for my repertoire (Chopin, Schumann, Schubert, etc.).

A digital piano, excuse me, but I wouldn't even consider it...

I am trying to consider all the factors at play, such as potential resale value in the future, the prestige of the two brands, etc. So, let's get to my questions:

1. At the same price, what is your opinion on the two instruments, based on your experience, sound quality, and mechanical reliability?

2. Is it right in these cases, for such an "emotional" purchase as a piano, to also consider economic reasoning regarding the future depreciation of the instrument? That is, I buy the new Kawai today for €6,000 and in a year it will be worth €3,000; whereas the Schimmel, having already largely depreciated, I might be able to resell it one day for roughly the same amount I pay today. Is this correct?

3. I know the Schimmel well; however, is the Kawai K200 a reliable instrument? A dealer (Yamaha) I spoke with told me very bad things about the internal carbon parts instead of wood, and about the fact that no one can predict what will happen to the mechanics of these pianos in 10, 20, or 30 years... Is it true?

Thank you in advance for your answers and see you soon!

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Reply 2 by nancy

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Hello and welcome!

In general, I don't feel comfortable giving you advice on which of the two is better because it all depends on the condition of the Steinway grand piano... if it is in excellent condition, I wouldn't have any doubts due to a matter of personal preference... but I repeat, to be able to say so, I would have to try it and see... preferably with a trusted technician accompanying me

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Reply 3 by pianoexpert

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Schimmel upright is a "prince". A grand [piano] a little less so, but always an excellent instrument. However, as Nancy well says, it remains to be seen given the dimensions (155 cm). A trusted private technician with good competence will be able to advise you after examining them. Also watch my Tutorial on buying a used piano

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Reply 4 by maquieto

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Yes... I agree with what Paolo and Nancy have already said, precise evaluations cannot be given. From what you write and from your current orientation, I would say to consider the arriving baby (for the silent system) and get the instrument that gives you the satisfaction of the sound you are looking for with the lowest expenditure. In the end, the right sound for you matters a lot in my opinion... I don't find the need to think about a future resale value very pleasant, but anyway with such a limited budget (I am speaking regarding a piano in general), it doesn't seem like a primary factor; all aspects that you will have to evaluate personally anyway.

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Reply 5 by maxsbk

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With a budget of 6K you can get a new K300, an excellent 122 cm [instrument]. Of course the charm of the upright remains, even if the 1/4 [size] is more for show than substance; I have read about more problems than advantages for this size of piano.

A piece of blunt advice? Go for the new one, K300?

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