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Booing at Opera Singers Is Like Stalking

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«Booing opera singers is like stalking»

Gheorghiu: Italians are terrible but I am returning to La Scala

http://www.corriere.it/cultura/12_maggio_15/cappelli-fischi-cantanti-lirici-come-stalking_4af213b2-9e7b-11e1-b8e5-2081876c6256.shtml

«Yes, but rarely, not in that savage manner, causing enormous psychological damage to the artists. Certain boos are like stalking to us. Italy has fallen behind even in this. We feel like bulls in the arena: however, in Spain, bullfighting is becoming less and less important. The audience goes to the theater and spends money on me, and I want to give everything to win them over».

Question, but isn't disagreeing with a performance you don't like a right?

Are you saying that abroad people don't boo?

http://www.corriere.it/cultura/12_maggio_15/cappelli-fischi-cantanti-lirici-come-stalking_4af213b2-9e7b-11e1-b8e5-2081876c6256.shtml

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Reply 2 by Carlos

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Tenore wrote:

Question, but isn't disagreeing with a show you don't like a right?

Are you saying that abroad people don't boo?

I don't know. The rules of the theater are different from those of a concert audience, but "dissent" in certain cases is not the appropriate word to define the audience's reaction to operas... I have heard unspeakable things. I believe that is what Gheorghiu is referring to.

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Reply 4 by thallo

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... one almost doesn't whistle anymore even in Italy ... but Gheorghiu should really evaluate her statements ...

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Reply 5 by Carlos

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thallo wrote:

... one almost doesn't whistle anymore even in Italy ... but Gheorghiu should really evaluate her statements ...

Well, well... I'll tell you that here in Parma it still happens; maybe not exactly whistling, but something even worse: last year during Il Trovatore, at the premiere there was quite a bit of dissent directed at the cast and, at one point, during «Di quella pira», someone from the gallery said "mo päg'ni anca lilè?" (translation from Parmigiano: "is she being paid too?"). I must say that in that case there were excellent justifications: she was certainly not a singer adequate for either the role or the season opening. A few years ago, an Otello conducted by Bartoletti was heavily contested, where the shouting sometimes reached the point of overpowering the voices on stage. I do not approve, let me be clear; I am only saying this to clarify that in some theaters the "tradition" of noisy and unruly dissent still exists (unfortunately). I would also like to respond to Tenore's question, namely whether dissenting is not a right. I believe that dissent is necessary, but I have never understood why things are allowed in the theater that no one would even dream of thinking during a concert (not even those who shout and flail at the theater against a singer). Following the Otello I was talking about, I had a heated discussion with one of the gallery spectators who claimed exactly the right to protest against a performance he deemed inadequate, and I pointed out to him that a "tavern-like" attitude like the one held by him and his fellow gallery members during that performance would mean only one thing in any other environment (musical or not, of course): forced removal. He replied that I didn't understand (I, obviously) and that since he had heard So-and-so, You-know-who, and Such-and-such on that stage "he could not accept" that such havoc was being made of his favorite operas; however, when I replied to him that I could not accept having my "balls broken" (excuse me, but it's to convey the tone of the discussion...) while listening to the same opera (having paid for the same ticket), he, in perfect "gallery-style," told me "älora stà ca'!" ("then stay at home!"). "Strange," I said to him, "I was about to tell you the same thing: stay at home, put on Del Monaco's CD, and save your voice...", but he beat me to it...

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Reply 8 by Carlos

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Ludovica wrote:

This tells us that we are at the end of the line

I wrote, at the time of the publication of this article, a letter to La Stampa, which I am happy to share

It surprises me greatly that a prestigious newspaper like La Stampa decides to publish, at a moment of extremely grave suffering for Italian culture and particularly for the musical life of our country, a delusional article, even though written by a man of culture, which perhaps makes it even more serious, in which, with tones that are to say irreverent, he addresses a very delicate subject from a totally misinformed or feignedly foolish perspective.

It is certainly true that speaking of the Opera House as something old and outdated is the same as saying that museums could be closed because the works of art exhibited in those places have been seen and re-seen and no longer have anything to say to us. Or saying, I don't know, that the history books in all the libraries of the world could be burned, since today there are eBooks. Or saying that the churches scattered throughout our territory serve no purpose and that those spaces could be used for new hypermarkets or, even better, new banks, why not?

If times have changed for the Opera House, they have changed for all art, and so, why abolish one thing and preserve the others?

The Opera House, like all music, is "living" art, which needs people to maintain it as such, even if Ceronetti does not care.

One cannot read the Opera House in an armchair, like any work by Ceronetti, who, among many things, when speaking of the "imbecility of librettos, of which not a single one can be saved," commits two very serious errors: the first is that evaluating an opera libretto, especially one by Verdi, detached from the music, is something that even a first-year student of Musical Theater History would not do, since it is notorious that Verdi's poetics and, consequently, those of his librettists, were aimed at a theatrical effectiveness in its complexity (has he ever heard Ceronetti speak of "scenic word"? He would do well to research it); the second error is grammatical: one does not write "di cui non se ne salva..." [of which one doesn't save oneself...], because there is a useless repetition that, from an eminent man of letters in the grip of fanaticism regarding the literary purity of Piave, sincerely, one would not expect.

I would have written "di cui nemmeno uno si salva" [of which not even one is saved], more correct and elegant, while still remaining, in substance, nonsense.

Not to mention the sequence of clichés about Wagner's works (but has Ceronetti ever heard one or read, even of those, only the librettos?).

Of course, it is said "it doesn't matter what they say about you, as long as they talk about you," and without doubt Ceronetti's article has regained him a (sad) notoriety, which he perhaps envied from Piave, Verdi, or Wagner.

Was he perhaps trying to prevent those who, in the near future, might say "it is bitter to think it, but: if Ceronetti no longer writes, what harm is there?"
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Reply 9 by CromaDiBrera

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Guido Ceronetti has always been linked to forms of theater that are radically opposed to institutional ones; therefore, I do not expect him to have different opinions. The point is that he doesn't know what he's talking about, because he has no idea what musical theater is. In his sphere of knowledge, the combination of theater/music simply does not exist and, if he wanted to prove otherwise, he might say "of course, Gaber...!" With all due respect to Gaber, obviously.

He would have said the same thing about baseball, simply because he doesn't know it and doesn't understand it. And that's how it is: people shoot mostly at what they don't know and don't understand.

No one at La Stampa has the courage to challenge him or to dismiss what he writes (he's been there for half a century...), so I have some doubts that they published your beautiful letter... If only to avoid letting him read it...!

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Reply 10 by Racchi

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It seems that the Wagner we ambrosia'd at the end has satisfied everyone... it could be that the boos are sometimes deserved

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Reply 11 by thallo

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in reality it did NOT please everyone, and the audience only booed the director.

I wouldn't have even booed him, I greatly appreciated his direction, and I wasn't the only one

http://www.ilcorrieremusicale.it/lo-sguardo-wagneriano-di-claus-guth/

perhaps I am exaggerating but I continue to think that auteur directing is not liked by music lovers because music lovers are, basically, ignorant of every other form of art that is not romantic opera

http://www.ilcorrieremusicale.it/lo-sguardo-wagneriano-di-claus-guth/

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Reply 12 by Carlos

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I haven't seen Lohengrin (I will see it as soon as I can). I am sharing (not in the sense that I agree, but in the sense that I am passing it on to you) Stinchelli's review.

http://www.enricostinchelli.it/site/recensioni/308-scala-2012-un-lohengrin-vecchio-e-polveroso.html

He isn't just blaming the director.

http://www.enricostinchelli.it/site/recensioni/308-scala-2012-un-lohengrin-vecchio-e-polveroso.html

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Reply 13 by thallo

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Stinchelli always takes it out on everyone. And, imagine, he says of himself that he is heterosexual...

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Reply 14 by Carlos

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thallo wrote:

And, think about it, he says of himself that he is heterosexual...

And can't we just put a nice "who cares" on it? Are we joking?

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