Tuning

Can a Piano Be Un-tunable?

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Opening post by Livio

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Hello, I have been following this site and this forum for almost a year and I believe that your experience, passion, and impartiality can best answer my question.

A few months ago, I purchased a used Asahi Hamamatsu brand piano, serial number 65145, 130cm tall, approximately 25/30 years old.

At the time of purchase, to evaluate the condition of the piano, I requested the intervention of a tuner.

The tuner told me that the piano was quite good, Japanese, and with mechanical parts similar to Yamaha pianos. Furthermore, he told me that tuning that piano would require more time than usual and that it would cost 140 euros instead of the standard 80.

After the purchase, to perform the tuning, I turned to another tuner because the request for 140 euros seemed excessive to me.

When the second tuner arrived at my house, he told me that he had already seen that piano and refused to tune it because he believed it was not possible.

He added that, in his opinion, that model of piano was poorly made and constructed with very poor materials and that it could only be used as an ornamental object ๐Ÿ™‚

I was quite disconcerted, also because reading many forums before the purchase, I thought I had chosen an acceptable piano.

On the other hand, the out-of-tuneness was very homogeneous, the action was quite sensitive and responsive, and the sound was pleasant. The only thing....I noticed a couple of low copper strings that were slightly oxidized...perhaps due to humidity.

In your opinion, is it possible that a piano like this cannot be tuned?

I hope you can give me your opinion.

Thank you.

Livio.

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Reply 2 by pianoexpert

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Dear Livio,

It is difficult to confirm or contradict the opinion of other Technicians from a distance. I can only tell you, in my opinion and not just mine, which are the cases in which a piano cannot be tuned.

1) If the piano has straight strings, not crossed,....nothing to be done

2) With very, very rusty strings and pins stuck due to the swelling of the soundboard holes.

3) With very loose soundboard holes

4) When the load on the soundboard is practically almost nothing (the pressure of the strings on the bridges is almost absent)

The increased price can be justified by the need to raise the pitch (perhaps the piano is a tone low!)

Send me some photos and an MP3, if you want, so that I can better specify.

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Reply 3 by Livio

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Hi Paolo,

thanks for your timely response!

I am attaching some photos I took.

The piano is down by a semitone (I compared it with my keyboard). Do you think the soundboard is excessively depleted?

Can you tell from the photos if the pins are loose?

Thanks.

Livio.

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Reply 4 by Livio

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Hi Paolo,

thanks for your timely response!

I am attaching some photos I took.

The piano is down by a semitone (I compared it with my keyboard). Do you think the soundboard is excessively depleted?

Can you tell from the photos if the pins are loose?

Thanks.

Livio.

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Reply 5 by Thesimon

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The frame is cross-strung, the overall condition of the instrument seems good to me, the strings do not seem rusty. The soundboard is covered by the soundboard and it cannot be seen if it has cracks or bulges, but the holes do not seem to have cracks. We must wait for Paolo to get a precise diagnosis. Why don't you send us an mp3? Record the fourths, fifths, and thirds (for example G3 C4, C4 G4, C4 E4 and other fifths, fourths, and thirds in various registers of the keyboard, or even better, send us a video so that we can better evaluate the condition of the instrument. My doubt, however, is that if there have been 2 technicians and both told you the same thing, there must be a reason, so we need to find it out. The problem is that evaluating remotely is very difficult. Where are you from?

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Reply 6 by pianoexpert

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The things you are asking about cannot be deduced from the photos. But anyway, I don't understand why it should be non-tunable.....To understand if it holds its tuning, one must try with the tuning key. Perhaps call a third technician who can better explain the impossibility of intervening.

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Reply 7 by Livio

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I am from Imola.

The first tuner, who assessed the condition of the instrument before the purchase, said that it was good and that tuning required more time than usual (perhaps because it is undertoned!?) but did not highlight any problems in this regard.

I turned to a second tuner because I would have spent 80 euros instead of the 140 requested by the first one.

Tonight I will try to send you an mp3.

Anyway, at this point I was thinking of turning back to the first tuner... but first I hoped to understand something and have some clues with your neutral opinion

Livio.

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