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Can A Third Not Perform Its Function As A Modal?

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In a chord, can a third fail to perform its modal function? To be clear, being "defunctionalized" and not influencing the "mode" (whether major or minor)?

I am asking because with some SUS chords, from what I understand, it seems like the third remains... but it seems a bit "uninfluential" to me...

What do you think?

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Reply 2 by DrJellyfish

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Normally, in sus4 chords the fourth should replace the major third, but it is possible to add it in the upper voices as a tension (10).

The color of the chord remains major nonetheless; there is a tendency to perceive a 7sus4 as a dominant chord; perhaps with some trickery, such as alternating, for example, a C7sus4 with a Cm7, it could be heard as minor. Then again, maybe it's subjective: I feel sus4 chords leaning more towards major, even due to contextualization. There is a curious case: the 13sus4(b9) chord implies the use of a Dorian scale with a minor second (the ninth, if you prefer). Curious because this chord induces a resolution to a major [chord], like a normal dominant seventh chord; perhaps because in the end the minor third (which, moreover, only appears in the relative scale and not in the chord) results in being less decisive than the thirteenth. Well...

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Reply 7 by Charly

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In my opinion, it also depends on how much space is between the C and the E; if they are too close, perhaps it's too invasive compared to the SUS... or am I wrong?

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Reply 8 by Martina

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DrJellyfish wrote:

@ Martina

in short, did you like this chord or did you not like it?

I like it more with the minor ninth...the reb

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Reply 9 by Gennarino

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Interesting discourse

DrJellyfish wrote:

did you like this chord or did you not like it?

But in your opinion, is it possible to appreciate even a single chord? Is it not necessary for there to be at least a minimum succession to establish its "identity"?

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Reply 10 by DrJellyfish

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Well, it was also a bit of a joke. However, a chord arranged in a particular way can be appreciable, more for the voicing than for the chord itself.

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