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choosing a mixer for recording

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hi everyone! I should preface this by saying it's the first time I'm approaching this subject. My cousin gave me a very modest Neewer NW-800 that he used for other things. So, the idea occurred to me to indulge the whim of recording something on the piano, but upon connecting it, I realized that it needs power; the recording volume is extremely low....and if I turn it up, it becomes noisy.

The idea now is to buy a mixer that will also be useful when I decide to buy a microphone worth at least 200 euros.

Here on the forum I read that phantom power is needed, and I was looking at "Behringer" mixers.

Does this one, for example, have phantom power? Could I connect two microphones? Would even a quality microphone work?

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I apologize for the many questions... but as I said, I am a complete novice on the subject....

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Reply 2 by Thesimon

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There is a lot of confusion.

So, a mixer for recording a piano is practically useless. Instead, you need a good audio interface and a pair of condenser microphones.

Phantom power is now present on all audio interfaces and serves ONLY AND EXCLUSIVELY to power condenser microphones. A condenser microphone connected without Phantom power activated will not work.

So I would say that you can start by buying a good audio interface (the quality obviously depends on the budget you intend to invest) and the same goes for a good pair of microphones (the piano requires stereo recording techniques, i.e., with two microphones).

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Reply 3 by Silviaa

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TheSimon wrote:

There is a lot of confusion.

So, a mixer for recording a piano is practically useless. Instead, you need a good audio interface and a pair of condenser microphones.

Phantom power is now present on all audio interfaces and serves ONLY AND EXCLUSIVELY to power condenser microphones. A condenser microphone connected without Phantom power activated will not work.

So I would say that you can start by buying a good audio interface (the quality obviously depends on the budget you intend to invest) and the same goes for a good pair of microphones (the piano requires stereo recording techniques, i.e., with two microphones).

Thank you!

In your opinion, what would be the budget below which it wouldn't be worth going for the audio interface? I would start with this expense then.

As for ribbon microphones, should they be used differently than condenser ones? Because I have seen that some companies continue to produce them specifically for those who want to achieve a slightly more vintage sound....

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Reply 4 by Thesimon

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Regarding the audio interface, it depends on your budget and the result you want to achieve. I should also tell you that the final result depends heavily on the piano and the environment in which you record. What I mean by this is that it's useless to buy a 2000 euro audio interface with fantastic preamps and divine converters if you then have to record an upright piano inside a 2m x 2m room. Clearly, good audio interfaces cost quite a bit of money. For ultra-professional results, instead of using an audio interface that also includes microphone preamplifiers, separate converters and preamps are normally used, which are chosen based on what you want to record. Quality in recording takes many variables into account. To make a record, you start from the choice of instrument, move to the choice of the room, which must have a certain acoustics, up to the audio capture chain: microphones, preamplifiers, and converters. I don't know anything right now, so it is difficult to give you advice. It would be necessary to know what budget you have, what piano you have, and where you intend to record.

If you don't have high demands, you could opt for one configuration; however, if you do have high demands because you have been provided with an excellent concert grand piano in a beautiful hall, then you must opt for other configurations.

Ribbon microphones are not used for piano recording. I have never witnessed a piano recording with ribbon microphones; let's just say they are not very suitable. They have a very dark sound and are normally used with instruments like the guitar. In some mixing contexts, the ribbon microphone sounds very good, but it is certainly not the case for a solo instrument like the piano. Moreover, you have to be very careful with ribbon microphones because if you forget to deactivate the Phantom power, they will burn out.

The ribbon microphone is made of a thin metal foil—we're talking about microns in thickness—therefore an external power supply would overheat this foil, causing it to burn immediately. In short, they are very delicate microphones and honestly, I have only seen them used on very rare occasions.

For piano recording, one opts for a pair of condenser microphones, preferably small diaphragm, but you can also record with large diaphragm microphones. It always depends on the sound you want to achieve, and thus in this case too, there would be a need to know the repertoire you want to record. The same applies to positioning: close positioning for pop and jazz recordings, more distant positioning for classical recordings. The same goes for the pickup technique. ORTF, AB... Everything depends on the sound you want to obtain. But we keep coming back to the same point: if we are recording a studio grand piano, one cannot expect it to sound like a concert Steinway in the recording. Instruments also have their limits. Finally, as I was telling you about the room: in a home living room, we cannot expect to have the same acoustics as a concert hall. Aside from the amount of reverb, which is the least of it, in a small room there are a million sound reflections, creating comb filters. There are so many physical variables that complicate the recording procedure.

Everything is aimed at the result you want to achieve. If you can be a little more precise, I will try to be more precise as well. See you soon.

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Reply 5 by Silviaa

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You expressed yourself very clearly (I was without an internet connection for a while..) I deliberately omitted these parameters because I am changing instruments, I think it is better to resume this discussion at a later time...

in reality I would have available a medium-sized hall (conservatory auditorium) with a Steinway D, but for the moment I doubt I have the budget to be decently up to the task..

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