Choral Music Workshop 2012

For those who had shown interest in a translation: http://it.wikipedia....demptoris_Mater

Suggestions on syllabification

túum = TU-UM

pervia = PER-VI-A

genuisti = GE-NU-I-STI

prius = PRI-US

posterius = POST-E-RI-US

Gabrielis = GA-BRI-E-LIS

Versification in hexameters

_ U U _ _ _ _ _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ _ _ _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // U U _ U U _ U

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ U U _ // U U _ U

àlma redèmptorìs matèr quae pèrvia coèli

pòrta manès et stèlla marìs succùrre cadènti

sùrgere quì curàt populò tu quae genuìsti

nàturà mirànte tuùm sanctùm genitòrem

vìrgo priùs ac pòsteriùs, Gabrièlis ab òre

sùmens ìllud àve, pèccatorùm miserère

Frank wrote:

For those who had shown interest in a translation: http://it.wikipedia....demptoris_Mater

Suggestions on syllabification

túum = TU-UM

pervia = PER-VI-A

genuisti = GE-NU-I-STI

prius = PRI-US

posterius = POST-E-RI-US

Gabrielis = GA-BRI-E-LIS

Versification in hexameters

_ U U _ _ _ _ _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ _ _ _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // U U _ U U _ U

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ U U _ // U U _ U

àlma redèmptorìs matèr quae pèrvia coèli

pòrta manès et stèlla marìs succùrre cadènti

sùrgere quì curàt populò tu quae genuìsti

nàturà mirànte tuùm sanctùm genitòrem

vìrgo priùs ac pòsteriùs, Gabrièlis ab òre

sùmens ìllud àve, pèccatorùm miserère

the metric scanning of the last verse doesn't seem right to me:

1) -lud in illud is short

2) A- in ave is short

3) -ca- and -to- in peccatorum are long

therefore, in my opinion, the last verse should be read like this:

sùmens ìllud avè, peccàtorùm miserère

Furthermore, in the third verse, the 5th accent is missing on the word quae"},

you're right Roberto, I had already corrected the last one when I posted this scan on the other forum, but in reality I didn't check the dictionary and I still had some doubts.

So the correct scan is

_ U U _ _ _ _ _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ _ _ _ _ U U _ // _ _ U U _ U

_ U U _ // _ _ U U _ // U U _ U U _ U

_ _ _ U U _ // _ _ _ _ U U _ U

thallo wrote:

i didn't look it up in the dictionary and I had some doubts.

Thallo, help me understand. Which dictionary?

...Thallo, iuhu ... uhuuu

sorry, I don't look at the workshops section often :-)

i was simply referring to the Latin dictionary. Latin metrics are based on the "quantity" of syllables, and you can find indications regarding this in the dictionary.

thallo wrote:

Latin metrics is based on the "quantity" of syllables, and you can find indications regarding this in the dictionary.

Do you know if anything valid can be found online? ... I usually go by ear, experience, and rely on expert acquaintances (in case of doubts)... but I admit it would be very useful

Valchiria wrote:

http://www.dizionario-latino.com/

Thank you

How many of us are there?

rstrauss wrote:

How many of us are there?

For now 3, including me

...at least those who have already let me know something, anyway:

- Frank

- AbateFaria

- IlChitarrista55

Present

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I would be at my first experience with the choir, words like "redemptoris" will cause me a crisis, is it divided like this Re-demp-to-ris?

I hope it doesn't turn out to be a mess but I want to try, I've been following you for a while and if I understood correctly this is the next proposal.

However, I don't have the possibility of having the piece recorded by a choir, what is expected? I saw that you provide sheet music or mp3, should I make a piano reduction?

The dictionary, among the inflected forms (whatever that may mean) reports for redemptoris

rĕdemptŏr

rĕdemptŏr, redemptoris

s. m. III decl.|n. m. III décl.|s. m. III decl.

Masculine Singular Plural Nominative

Genitive

Dative

Accusative

Vocative

Ablative rĕdemptŏr

redemptoris

redemptori

redemptorem

rĕdemptŏr

redemptore redemptores

redemptorum

redemptorĭbus

redemptores

redemptores

redemptorĭbus

imprenditore (s.m.)

appaltatore (s.m.)

1 contractor, impresario, entrepreneur

2 (jurid.) patron, lawyer, one who takes on a case for compensation

3 redeemer, one who frees from slavery or imprisonment

3 (eccl.) the Redeemer.

Etymology: ; Vulg. Job, 19, 25; id. Act. 7, 35 et saep.

Provisional translation. We are working on this lemma.

Does it mean anything to you in terms of syllabification?

OscarP wrote:

if I understood correctly, this is the next proposal.

Yes, don't publish before the end of July. Maybe we can talk via PM

OscarP wrote:

However, I don't have the possibility to have the piece recorded by a choir, what is expected? I saw that you provide score or mp3, should I make a piano reduction?

In the past, someone has proposed reductions in score. I can't think of anyone who has recorded live, other than playback performed by programs like Finale or Logic and alternatives.

You decide, if you have difficulties, let me know.

Take a look also at a previous edition

http://www.pianoconc...di-natale-2010/

OscarP wrote:

I would be at my first experience with the choir, words like "redemptoris" will put me in a crisis, is it divided like this Re-demp-to-ris?

I participated as a novice since last year ... I won't even tell you the results

I even got wrong the position of the text that should be written under the notes, and not above. Take note!

I am dividing the word Redemptoris as you hypothesize, I find the syllable "to" more convenient, rather than "pto"; thinking about Italian instead, perhaps the opposite is better. Well, you've made me doubt.

Ugh, church stuff and in Latin...

cristiank83 wrote:

Ugh, churchy stuff and in Latin...

True, but I want to self-criticize. When it comes to choosing ... no one shows up in the polls, myself included