Choral Music Workshop 2014

... and for the playback

Try to take a look at the past editions

http://www.pianoconc...dei-laboratori/

anyway, Word builder galore

For RStrauss... Tristis hasn't been republished, it should be rectified

AbateFaria wrote:

Try taking a look at past editions

http://www.pianoconc...dei-laboratori/

anyway, Word builder galore

For RStrauss... Tristis hasn't been republished, it should be remedied

Ok.

I will see about obtaining all the parts from the participants.

Maybe by the end of the year.

Bianca wrote:

... and for the playback

There are those who use the classic oh, ah, etc. ... and those who tinker like Geppino or Gozzo... using the word builder (as Faria recalls) ... and makes us hear an Anglo-Saxon Latin that can give a better idea to those who have difficulty reading the score.

I remember this discussion

http://www.pianoconc...65-word-builder

i had also made a PDF to describe how to work on MIDI to make everything stand up (Finale+VST+WB)...but it is now outdated given the advent of 64-bit systems and products, where the paths must necessarily be different.

Eheh, an enormous effort for a result that is nonetheless not very credible, but in its time, even this tinkering had its purpose. As it stands now, as far as I know, the East West Symphonic Choir is still the only choral library that allows you to choose the letters to pair together to form syllables at your own pleasure; there are other libraries that even sound better than East West, which have preset syllables to combine but with which you cannot form meaningful words.

I advise against using the wordbuilder directly within music notation software; it is much better to export the score as a MIDI file into Cubase and use wordbuilder as an insert.

geppino12575 wrote:

Eheh, una faticaccia enorme per un risultato cmq poco credibile

So ultimately, in your opinion, it's not worth it?

A parte il costo e le risorse richieste un po' esosi...

I saw this on YouTube

the voices seem quite realistic to me even if the composable words seem limited; but what strikes me as most strange are the octaves to which the female voices are transposed. How do you write for this VST?

Does anyone know anything about it?

Open content (youtube)

The extensions are different from the real and potentially feasible ones... they are tools born for cinema... they will never make a soprano sing a middle C

DiesIrae wrote:

The extensions are different from real and potentially playable ones... they are tools born for cinema... they will never make a soprano sing a middle C

ok, but aside from that, the female voices seem transposed by 2 octaves to me
if I write, say, a d4, instead of a soprano's D, a keyswitch triggers, whereas to play that same D I have to send a d6...

Maybe there is some trick....

...what do you mean by C4? You know that it is now the middle C, so as I was saying, the first C you can give to sopranos is indeed C5, precisely the C one octave above the middle one.

I hope that was clear

DiesIrae wrote:

...what do you mean by C4? You know that it is now the middle C, so as I was saying, the first C you can give to sopranos is indeed C5, specifically the C one octave above the middle one.

I hope that was clear

with D4 I mean the D at 294 Hz, and I said that because it is highlighted in green on the keyboard seen in the video, whereas it should be a singable D for both soprano and contralto.

That is to say, watching the video, it really seems to me that the female voices are transposed by two octaves. On the other hand, one only needs to look at where the male voices are.

They are libraries that are not designed for singing, but for use with sequencers, so there is no correspondence between note pitches and their position on the keyboard or, even worse, on the staff. The principle is that organizing certain phonemes, although they do not necessarily form meaningful words, is more realistic than simple vocalizations with the classic ah, eh, oh, etc...; it gives an appearance of text even if you cannot understand which words they are. This works especially in an orchestral context and in epic-style tracks.

I will cite only one example: the soundtrack of the video game Skyrim (we are talking about one of the most successful video games of all time) makes extensive use of samples from the 8Dio Requiem Pro library; I can distinguish the words because I know the library, but they are just words placed next to each other without a complete meaning: Crucifixus, Dominum, Morituri, Ex crux, Incarnatus, Apocalypse, etc... for an Ave Maria, it is not suitable.

Regarding whether or not to recommend purchasing them, it depends: if you have the budget available and if you like tinkering with this stuff, it certainly gives more satisfaction than simple vocalizations, but as with all libraries, you need to know how to use them to optimize results and have certain system requirements because they are demanding in terms of RAM.

I am happy with Soundiron libraries: Venus, Mars, and Mercury, but there are others, like Voxos, which I don't like very much; in terms of sampling quality they are better than EW, but only EW has a true wordbuilder.

geppino12575 wrote:

They are libraries that are not designed for writing, but for use with sequencers, so there is no correspondence between the note pitches and their position on the keyboard or, even worse, on the staff. The principle is that organizing certain phonemes, although they do not necessarily form meaningful words, is more realistic than simple vocalizations with the classic ah, eh, oh, etc...; it gives an appearance of text even if you cannot understand which words they are. This works especially in an orchestral context and in epic-style tracks.

I will cite only one example: the soundtrack of the video game Skyrim (we are talking about one of the most successful video games of all time) makes extensive use of samples from the 8Dio Requiem Pro library; I can distinguish the words because I know the library, but they are just words placed next to each other without a complete meaning: Crucifixus, Dominum, Morituri, Ex crux, Incarnatus, Apocalypse, etc... it's not suitable for making an Ave Maria.

Regarding whether or not to recommend purchasing them, it depends: if you have the budget available and if you like tinkering with this stuff, it certainly gives more satisfaction than simple vocalizations, but as with all libraries, you need to know how to use them to optimize results and have certain system requirements because they are demanding in terms of RAM.

I am happy with Soundiron's libraries: Venus, Mars, and Mercury, but there are others, like Voxos, which I don't like very much; in terms of sampling quality they are better than EW, but only EW has a true wordbuilder.

thanks for the tips geppino. Is there something from Soundiron that can be listened to? Do they have something similar to Voxos or a wordbuilder?

I wrote it ... now I'll fix it and go into post-production.

I will deliver with a couple of days delay.

who else is in this workshop?

I am quite ready, I need to fix the playback... but we are getting there

Damn! I would have sworn that it was the deadline for the fugue and that May (since it is the Marian month) was the one for the chorale.

Anyway, not much changes. I wrote mine a while ago, but for the playback, it was a bloodbath.

Considering that my experience in choral music and choir instruments is zero and that my PC is a junker, at a certain point I settled, even though the result doesn't satisfy me at all. So, on my part, I could already upload the files.

Bianca wrote:

Damn! I would have sworn that it was the deadline for the fugue and that May (since it is the Marian month) was the one for the chorale.

True, but let's not forget one detail....music must be studied to be performed...and two little months might even be too few (at least for my Ave Maria) to be truly ready by May

I have prepared this topic for the scores

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/3266-laboratorio-musica-corale-2014-elaborati/

@Bianca I must say that I just heard your chorale now.... beautiful!!!!!!! you might not be satisfied but I like it