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Confessions of a choir member...

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Among the various things I am caught up with these days is the preparation for a concert I have to perform on Tuesday in a famous but normal Tuscan city for a festival, at the center of which is the performance of a piece for choir and organ that won a composition competition. It has been a fixed appointment for a few years now, and every time the choir members are amazed by the poor quality of these compositions... I cannot mention names or titles, but a little while ago I started looking for the name of the competition winner (which was only recently revealed to us; the compositions were marked only by a motto) and I discovered that this person has a beautiful and long career as a musician, has been part of famous instrumental ensembles, and has even made high-sounding poetic statements.

But, to name one thing, the score we studied was full of errors, wrong accents, incorrect syllabification, impossible dynamics (like the usual soprano soloists in the middle register who should, according to him, sing forte, while the whole choir enters on the next beat in piano...). The piece is long, without thematic ideas, somewhere between Hollywood and Gen Rosso, and as often happens with these pieces, it always gives me the feeling of being an exercise, like "in a quarter of an hour I will show you how good I am at modulating to distant keys, varying the single insipid theme I have set, and signing off on my homework".

My venting is useless, obviously, but it discourages me to see that a genre like choral sacred music, which was the basis of teaching and compositional training, has become the drift for uncreative composers. I understand more and more why Part or others were successful with few means, because they at least had the decency to care for them and exploit those few means to the best of their ability. In that concert we will sing many other things, and truly the most insipid and cramped Renaissance piece we perform is incredibly more beautiful and interesting than this competition-winning composition.

From here, a tiny little warning: I like experimentation very much, but having decent results as well would be wonderful. Compare yourselves with the greats. Before writing a piece of any kind, listen to and analyze the pillars of that genre, the different styles that have characterized it, and always evaluate whether yours is better or frankly incomparable. A single page by Purcell is capable of making many modern compositional efforts look RIDICULOUS.

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Reply 2 by Zedef

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Hi Thallo. You probably encountered a case of homonymy (with a viola da gamba player who works in Basel, has played with Savall etc..) when you read about a beautiful and long career as a musician and famous instrumental ensembles. The winner is a perfectly normal parish choir conductor from Abano Terme (PD) who does something quite different from being a musician by profession. It would therefore be interesting to know who was on the jury.. but allow me: one of the best-known contemporary composers of sacred music goes by the name of Fris... if the references are of that level, unfortunately, these are the followers [epigoni].

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Reply 3 by Piccinesco

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Years ago I wrote to two of Frisina's collaborators (precisely), informing them of something that concerned him directly; their response was absolute silence (written), and regarding the matter I am talking about, even though I did not clarify the reason why I wrote to those people, it was and is all too clear that for them, what matters is that people are talking about it.

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Reply 4 by thallo

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Zedef wrote:

Hi Thallo. You probably encountered a homonym (a violist working in Basel, who played with Savall etc..) when you read about a beautiful and long career as a musician and famous instrumental ensembles. The winner is a perfectly normal parish choir director from Abano Terme (PD) who does something quite different from being a musician for a living. It would therefore be interesting to know who was on the jury.. but allow me: one of the best-known contemporary sacred music composers goes by the name of Fris... if the references are of that level, unfortunately these are the followers.

Zedef, you even missed the name :-) but it consoles me to know it was a namesake... I was really losing faith in the world

ah, best wishes ;-)

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Reply 6 by WAM

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Lucky that the winner is a choir director

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Anyway, there are competitions with juries that are quite a bit more demanding

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Reply 7 by Frank

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I am very sorry Thallo and the thing always gives me a certain annoyance, for this reason too I fundamentally do not believe much in competitions and especially in some juries. However, there are some choral music competitions that are certainly up to the task, but for me (at least the Italian ones) they are truly few and some with very recent histories born precisely to deviate from the trend (but it's not the only one, between little songs and traditionalists... oh well) circumscribed by Zadef

I can point out to you the one from the Perugia Musica foundation, this year at its second edition. I had the chance to hear a couple of winning pieces from the previous edition (there is something on their site and on YouTube too) and I can tell you that they are of excellent workmanship.

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Reply 8 by Zedef

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Curiosity, what text did they choose?

A "Te Deum" won... but you just need to put the pieces together with Google (Pisa, te deum, composition contest, Abano Terme) to get more info.

PS: Thanks Thallo! ... Please, do your best when you sing..

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Reply 9 by Ludovica

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I read:

"The piece was unanimously recognized as the best among the many that participated"

If the premises are those described by Thallo, at this point I don't know whether to think:

- I like winning easily, I will also participate in the next edition

- I won't participate, since the jury wouldn't be able to evaluate my work

In short, either the winner was the least bad or the commission made a huge mistake.

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Reply 10 by Gerardo

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If the coordinates are correct, the announcement stated:

http://www.opapisa.it/fileadmin/repository/pdf/convenzioni/bandi/Bando_Concorso_AM2014.pdf

On the occasion of the 950th anniversary of the beginning of the construction of the Pisa Cathedral, the VII edition of the "Anima Mundi" composition competition is dedicated to the sacred hymn "Te Deum Laudamus": in the composition, also with a view to use in parish communities, the development of a musical motif is requested that can be performed by a single voice by the assembly of the faithful, also accompanied by harmonization for a four-part choir with organ accompaniment.

From my point of view, there are strong constraints in terms of purpose; Thallo's argument clearly holds regarding the fact that one can use few means and still achieve a good result.

http://www.opapisa.it/fileadmin/repository/pdf/convenzioni/bandi/Bando_Concorso_AM2014.pdf

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Gerardo wrote:

If the coordinates are correct, the announcement stated:

http://www.opapisa.it/fileadmin/repository/pdf/convenzioni/bandi/Bando_Concorso_AM2014.pdf

On the occasion of the 950th anniversary of the beginning of the construction of the Pisa Cathedral, the VII edition of the "Anima Mundi" composition competition is dedicated to the sacred hymn "Te Deum Laudamus": in the composition, also with a view to use in parish communities, the elaboration of a musical motif is requested that can be performed by a single voice by the assembly of the faithful, accompanied also by harmonization for a four-part choir with organ accompaniment.

From my point of view, there are strong constraints in terms of purpose; Thallo's argument about the fact that one can use few means and still achieve a good result clearly holds up.

Even though I am in no way part of the organization, in the choir we knew and know that the main constraint of the competition is the supposed performability by a non-professional choir and, ideally, by the assembly (at least some parts...). In reality, these are unfeasible constraints, at least if taken strictly, which should, in my opinion, become creative prompts. More or less they do, but the problem is the way the problems are solved. They are kitsch. If I hadn't had these small experiences of first performances, I would say that the major problems for a budding composer are 1) being too classical or 2) being too experimental. In reality, in this competition, there is a halfway problem: being neither fish nor fowl, being afraid of melody, having little sense of form and a desire to show how many strange chords you are able to put in... the composition isn't precisely difficult, quite the contrary, but it is insipid; one can't even go so far as to say it's ugly. Probably the others were worse, I don't know...

anyway, I will console myself with Cantique de Jean Racine...

http://www.opapisa.it/fileadmin/repository/pdf/convenzioni/bandi/Bando_Concorso_AM2014.pdf

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Curiosity Thallo, did the winner use the Italian or Latin version?

Having read the announcement, I am curious about the request for vocal parts. Thallo, did they mark your part for you or the full score?

Having read the comments in the topic, since the competition has no age limits and participation (if I read correctly) is practically free... we could dedicate the next composition workshop to the next edition of the competition. Once the winner is known and the scores are available, forum members will be able to post their works here and we will draw the necessary conclusions regarding the jury's vote.

In this case, I would also participate, but above all out of great curiosity.

What do you think?

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Reply 13 by Frank

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1) being too classical or 2) being too experimental. In reality, in this competition there is a halfway problem, being neither fish nor fowl, fearing the melody, having little sense of form and a desire to show off how many strange chords you are able to put down... the composition is not precisely difficult, quite the contrary, but it is insipid; one doesn't even get to the point of saying it is bad.

I read here:

http://www.opapisa.it/it/attivita/eventi-musicali/anima-mundi/vii-concorso-di-composizione-di-musica-sacra-anima-mundi-2014.html

"It is an uninterrupted journey that passes through chromaticisms, sudden modulations, rhythmic overlaps and moments in which the harmony undergoes metamorphosis towards unstable successions of perfect fourths"

Given that a century ago harmony based on superimposed perfect fourths was practically already old-fashioned and hyperchromaticism or unexpected modulations were very trendy... I fear I have a slightly different concept of experimentation and, from the composer's words alone, it doesn't seem to me to be an opera with an experimental approach. Unfortunately, I don't have the score, but given the requirements of the call for entries, I doubt things like falsetto, beatboxing, etc., could be used. Let's avoid growl and screaming, but I have conveyed the concept.

So, rather than experimentation, we are in a "classic" context in which (jury aside) I would aim to use all the ingredients of the great tradition with simplicity and modernity. Above all, I wouldn't forget the value of the text; in fact, I would be curious to hear how he managed the musical means specifically in relation to the text (aside from his own description).

http://www.opapisa.it/it/attivita/eventi-musicali/anima-mundi/vii-concorso-di-composizione-di-musica-sacra-anima-mundi-2014.html

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Frank wrote:

Curiosity Thallo, did the winner use the Italian or Latin version?

Having read the call for entries, I am curious about the request for vocal separate parts. Thallo, did they mark your part specifically or the full score?

Latin and full score, meaning choir and organ parts

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I read here: http://www.opapisa.it/it/attivita/eventi-musicali/anima-mundi/vii-concorso-di-composizione-di-musica-sacra-anima-mundi-2014.html "It is an uninterrupted journey that passes through chromaticism, sudden modulations, rhythmic overlaps, and moments where the harmony undergoes metamorphosis towards unstable successions of perfect fourths"

these unstable successions are simply ugly, and haphazard...

Given that a century ago harmony based on superimposed perfect fourths was practically already old-fashioned and hyperchromaticism or sudden modulations were very trendy... I fear I have a slightly different concept of experimentation, and from the composer's own words, it doesn't seem to me to be an opera with an experimental approach. Unfortunately, I don't have the score, but given the requirements of the call for entries, I doubt things like falsetto, beatboxing, etc., could be used. Let's avoid growl and screaming, but I've made my point.

i don't know if there is an explicit request not to use these effects, but in fact they prefer not to...

So rather than experimentation, we are in a "classic" context in which (jury aside) I would aim to use all the ingredients of the great tradition with simplicity and modernity. Above all, I wouldn't forget the value of the text; in fact, I would be curious to hear how he managed the musical means specifically in relation to the text (aside from his own description).

was nothing. He got accents and syllable divisions wrong, he didn't highlight anything at all, the text is somewhat long but he didn't section it off from a formal "narrative" point of view; he juxtaposed a series of sections that rarely have connections. Often a sort of pseudo-Gregorian melismatic style returns, in which however he indicates a tempo that is too fast, making everything ridiculous (tara ta ta ta ta tara ta tarataratara ta, sostenuto and with a sea of text). The organ does embellishments and transitions, but nothing interesting from what I heard (it doesn't seem like rich organ writing)."}

http://www.opapisa.it/it/attivita/eventi-musicali/anima-mundi/vii-concorso-di-composizione-di-musica-sacra-anima-mundi-2014.html

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Reply 15 by WAM

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Frank wrote:

I can point out the one from the Perugia Musica foundation, now in its second edition this year. I had the chance to hear a couple of winning pieces from the previous edition (there is also something on their website and on YouTube) and I can tell you they are of excellent quality.

I believe you... Gary Graden's choir is singing

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Reply 16 by WAM

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Frank wrote:

Having read the comments in the topic, since the competition has no age limit and participation (if I read correctly) is practically free ... we could dedicate the next composition workshop to the next edition of the competition. Once the winner is known and the scores are available, forum members will be able to post their works here and we will draw the due conclusions regarding the jury's vote.

In this case, I would also participate, but above all with great curiosity.

What do you think?

I don't know if it has ever happened that many participants of a competition meet "after the fact" and compare their own works after the jury's verdict, but it could be a truly "cute" and even correct thing to do.

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