Czerny Velocity School

I haven't checked, but IMSLP?

«School of velocity»

sisifo1987 wrote:

[...] a way to retrieve two Czerny etudes from the web [...]

I don't know, but W Italian!!!

I haven't checked, but IMSLP?

http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Czerny,_Carl

Aside from the two works requested by Sisyphus, specifically:

The School of Velocity op. 299

The Art of Making Fingers Agile op. 740

i would like to point out a method just as useful as

The School of Legato and Staccato op. 335

Here you will find an overview of Czerny's pedagogy

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Czerny

Frank wrote:

[...] I would like to report a method just as useful as

The School of Legato and Staccato op. 335 [...]

Do you know it? I had never heard of it... Perhaps it is less useful than it (seems to) you?

Yes, I know op. 335 ... I find it useful. Obviously, I didn't know the others mentioned in the wiki, which I linked only for information.

Clear… "musically" it is in line with the other works …

Here they are, Umberto...

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/files/file/37-czerny-studi-op-299/

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/files/file/38-czerny-studi-op-740/

Frank wrote:

Yes, I know op. 335 ... I find it useful. Obviously, I didn't know the others mentioned in the wiki, which I linked only for information.

Clear… "musically" it is in line with the other works …

I forgot, from the wiki list, I also know this one

The First Piano Master op. 599

Frank wrote:

I forgot, regarding the wiki list, I also know this one

The First Piano Master op. 599

Oh boy, what memories... it's been, um um... almost thirty years

Thank you all for the contributions!!

Now that I find myself abusing your kindness to ask you for something more regarding these works. Curiosity, personal opinions on their usefulness or anything else that comes to mind ... everything is welcome

This one is scary.

Open content (youtube)

The collection of studies in op. 740 is beautiful. I believe I have played at least a dozen, including some of those proposed by Carlos in this video.

Here it is, this is the technique I like to play. Useful and with high musical content!

TheSimon wrote:

high musical content !

I will go against the grain, while acknowledging Czerny's technical utility, musically speaking and with a quip: "Cramer all my life"

Continuing to remain confined to the lower course ... without forgetting Heller and Clementi

TheSimon wrote:

Here is the technique I like to play. Useful and with high musical content!

Exactly. Just yesterday (and thanks to sisifo's request, whom I must therefore thank) I spent the afternoon listening to many of these studies and I realized that the idea we form when we are forced to "grind them out" as kids is, naturally, ruined by coercion and frustration. Instead, it is truly beautiful music and one should remember that Czerny is not just the composer of "finger-breaking" studies, but also of sonatas, trios, and symphonies; all very beautiful music, among other things.

Carlos wrote:

Exactly. Just yesterday (and thanks to sisifo's request, whom I must therefore thank) I spent the afternoon listening to many of these studies and I realized that the idea we form of them when we are forced to "grind through them" as kids is, naturally, ruined by coercion and frustration. Instead, it is truly beautiful music and one should remember that Czerny is not just the composer of the "finger-breaking" studies, but also of sonatas, trios, and symphonies; all very beautiful music, among other things.

You say it's the "fault" of the same school that in the meantime made me love Cramer and less Czerny (to be clear, mine is not a discussion about piano technique)? I looked at "The School of Fugue" op. 400 in the past ... . Among other things, it wasn't even cited by Wiki and I had removed it

... here it is...

http://imslp.org/wiki/The_School_of_Fugue_Playing,_Op.400_%28Czerny,_Carl%29

Frank wrote:

You say it is the "fault" of the same school that, in the meantime, made me love Cramer and less Czerny [...]?

Well, I don't know. Of course: primary technique cannot later produce who knows what masterpieces when it is directed towards agility. You rightly recalled Heller, whose 25 Studies op. 47 I adored, which I studied in my 3rd year. But Heller's studies are more specific toward the pursuit of expressiveness on the instrument. Czerny's op. 299, "The School of Velocity," is a collection of studies to loosen fast technique and therefore is not much in the way of music, whereas op. 740, which is perhaps for a more advanced pianist, presents slightly richer studies. Clearly, however, to understand the stature of a composer, one must not stop at reading their didactic works, especially if the composer themselves has written sonatas, trios, quartets, concertos, symphonies...

I honestly feel the opposite; I loved Czerny more than Cramer, starting from Bulow's selected studies. A matter of taste. I really like virtuosity that is also musical; in Czerny I found it and often forgot the fact that they were studies. In Cramer, however, I missed this detachment and I always experienced them merely as studies.

Carlos wrote:

...(and thanks to Sisyphus's request, whom I must therefore thank)...

ahahah how wonderful!! even by asking one can give something. Thanks to you Carlos and to all of you...

sisifo1987 wrote:

even by asking, one can give something.

Definitely!