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DINner With The Kin

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Opening post by Fabiuz

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Hello

I am posting my latest piece here, a composition with a cinematic flavor ?!?!?! (I am attempting to enter the film music composition program at the Conservatorio di Santa Cecilia), it is probably not up to par, like every piece I have composed, compared to pieces composed by those who have studied composition, counterpoint and all that good stuff (which I started doing after my first pieces) but I would still like to hear some of your opinions and some of your advice.

The piece is based on the idea of snake-relatives seen in a somewhat grotesque way; my relatives and I do not get along and I have always had a childish vision of my wicked relatives and the terrible Christmas lunch that awaits me every year.

As for technical matters, I composed the piece and wrote the parts on Finale; if it is of interest, I will post them after extracting them as PDFs.

I therefore invite you to listen and criticize me, because a well-made critique helps one grow more than a "good, well done".

I continue to thank all the users and administrators of this wonderful forum ^^.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqYKm4Tm-Lw&list=LLN5CRw1g1IQwUSSizVY173A&feature=mh_lolz

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Reply 2 by Fabiuz

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Ah I forgot, the sounds are from the East West Symphonic Orchestra Gold Edition program that I paid for with many holy evenings ^^

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Reply 3 by AleGozzo

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rather than grotesque, I would call it a great supernatural thriller

i liked it anyway, you are definitely talented so go ahead and study

if i can make a couple of criticisms, the melodic cell is very repetitive; overall you played it well with the arrangement, but I felt the need for the entry of a more articulated and important theme, which would have been launched very well by this cell that, however, if it remains the only thematic element, is a bit poor ....

another thing I would have preferred to be different are the harmonic changes, not too interesting and above all they add little value in this style. It's just an impression though, I wouldn't know how to give you more precise suggestions.

overall definitely good

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Reply 4 by AleGozzo

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ah, perhaps I wasn't very clear: by melodic cell I mean the arpeggio, not the cello part etc., which I consider a good ostinato rather than a melody.

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Reply 5 by Fabiuz

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I thank you for the criticism, unfortunately I always think I am making, quote unquote, very short jingles (I don't know if that is the exact term) and composing longer things for when I have videos to work on, like the one from the exam that I will publish sooner or later

Thank you ^^

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Reply 7 by Fabiuz

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Longer and/or more elaborate things for videos or more interesting projects ^^

thanks to you too Oracolo ^^

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Reply 8 by Fabiuz

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But...but...but...but... WOW! AleGozzo I heard your tracks... they are beautiful, my jaw is still recovering from being on the floor... so I apologize for posting a terrible piece of crap...

I humbly ask for forgiveness and compliments once again O_O

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Reply 9 by AleGozzo

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mmm.... you're making me blush but thank you !! :)

naturally, you did the right thing by posting your piece, which received a positive judgment and shows great potential.

bye

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Reply 11 by Marzapane

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I'll tell you, it doesn't bother me at all; there are only a handful of seconds where the repetitiveness becomes perhaps a bit alienating, but I think it fits in this genre. Very musical, well done.

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Reply 12 by Videoclip

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Fabiuz wrote:

posting my latest piece here, a composition with a cinematic flavor ?!?!?! (I am attempting to enter the film music composition course at the Conservatorio di Santa Cecilia)

I find a nice atmosphere and some good premises in it.

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Reply 13 by cromatismo

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Many can learn technique, but not ideas. You have ideas, make them bear fruit with much and healthy study

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Reply 14 by Piccinesco

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Listening to it, I think that the articulation you used (is it Bartók pizzicato by any chance?) at the beginning is not accidental given the theme you wanted to address.

The piece revolves around the phrase "specified" by the celesta, am I right? In my opinion, you were right to provide for a reduced duration, because indeed the repetition

of the same phrase, even with the addition of other parts tending to stratify the harmonization, still feels the need for a part that acts somewhat as the

"countersubject" in a fugue, without contrasting, but assuming a role of counterpart; for me, if it had lasted 4 or 5 minutes, it would have been excessively long.

I myself "suffer" from a limited capacity at the moment in developing themes, and I tend to use (usually) many different parts in the same piece, but sometimes everything becomes chaotic, though at least

I am consistent with the life I live; musically it is a "problem" nonetheless (I speak for myself).

The black and white of the image and the dissonance in the finale give the idea of something that makes you feel uneasy, but you still tried to express everything ironically.

At the beginning, I seem to understand that you wanted to create a contrast between the pizzicato and the celesta, with its more delicate sound,

then you used the same phrase, varying it slightly.

A question regarding the use of the pizzicato in particular: at 0:36 there is this articulation performed by other strings besides the cellos—perhaps they are the violins; how did you write them, joined or separate?

Because at that speed, unless there are instrumentalists performing separate parts, pizzicato is not an easy thing to recreate with real instruments.

In that fragment, you had the strings do (I am speaking of the part itself, not the articulation you used) what is usually done by French horns; the phrase in question would lend itself well to the use of this instrument.

It doesn't seem redundant to me either; however, this type of piece is best seen in an appropriate context. I mean that taken without image(s),

for me it could lose intensity, even if its structure is simple; with images (perhaps a video where there are objects and places that incessantly remind you of relatives), it assumes another potential, while remaining that for me what is defined as film music is a "risky" subject—I am speaking in general.

What can be done (as you have started to do) is precisely to take photos, make videos of them, and set them to music; I thought about doing it myself sooner or later. One would learn to work on synchronization, and above all on the creation of pieces closely linked to the images we have chosen or not.

One thing that, in my view, would be quite complicated but also stimulating would be, besides making one's own videos, to film (as has already been said here on the forum) videos or films (even fragments) for which the music is also known (which complicates things even more because one is influenced) and set them to music.

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Reply 15 by Fabiuz

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Hi Piccinesco, it's incredible that I sign up for a forum and find someone who lives practically just a few km away from me ^^ .

Thank you for the interest and for writing this amount of stuff

So :

1) yes, I prescribed the pizzicato in the Bartók

2) all the strings play pizzicati and where there are more complicated parts I have divided them; it is designed more for a studio setting and alas, even having studied Adler, I don't yet know the limits of the various instruments and/or instrumentalists very well.

3) sometimes I tend to anchor myself to a theme and other times I don't (alas sigh sob)

4) for contrast yes, I didn't use a celesta but a free carillon VST which I find extremely horror-like as a sound, and yes, I wanted to describe something bizarre and demented that I cannot stand, as if it were the point of view of someone who is forced (as they indeed are) to go to dinner with relatives, who for me are horror/demented

5) I have already composed the music for a six-minute video for the applied music composition exam etc. etc. at the conservatory; if I manage to upload it, I will post it.

I am also writing music for a 25-minute Chaplin short film for my final thesis, where I will use primarily jazz music (as I am graduating in that), I find it beautiful and difficult ^^.

Finally, I agree with you, since it was designed as music for a video, how important the video is

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Reply 16 by Fabiuz

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As for the phrase to give to the horn, at that moment I wanted to use only the strings (probably making a mistake, eh) but I will take this advice to heart

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Reply 17 by AleGozzo

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I didn't point it out to you because it didn't seem like a piece intended for performance but rather for study work, but if you are interested, know that Bartók pizzicato is tiring and not very fast, so it cannot sustain such continuous passages as you plan here, even when dividing.

l'effetto però che hai creato con questo suono è una delle cose che mi sono piaciute di più, quindi il contesto trovo che lo giustifichi (a patto di pretenderlo solo in una "partitura elettronica"...)

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