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Perhaps it is because during this period my gaze and my thoughts turn retrospectively to the last century, perhaps it is because I feel with a bit of apprehension and perhaps nostalgia, a call to a time of fallacious hopes and thus to my youth, but I often find myself thinking about Dmitri Shostakovich.

I love this composer spasmodically, and I love him not only because he was one of the greatest musical geniuses of the twentieth century but also – as often happens to me – because I am able to recognize in him human and historical qualities that make him unique.

What makes Shostakovich's figure – and thus also his music – unique? The answer, I think, is that in him, personal tragedy and the tragedy of an era become one, and he knew how to translate all of this perfectly into his work.

The greatest Soviet composer felt deeply upon his own shoulders the responsibility of his time and through it, a profound sense of guilt and helplessness towards the betrayal and fallaciousness of so many hopes.

I listen to his 15 Quartets which, along with his 15 symphonies, are the composer's greatest spiritual testament. I listen to them and think that, along with the quartets of Beethoven and those of Bartók, they are among the most sensational things ever conceived in this matter.

The summation of this journey is No. 15 Opus 144, which is part of the final phase of Shostakovich's life, when, already irremediably undermined in body and spirit, the composer abandons himself to an absolutely bleak, unsettling, funeral music: a music that leaves no light of hope. An absolute masterpiece, chilling and... that leaves me breathless.

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Reply 3 by danielescarpetti

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Dear Terenzio, I am very pleased that you love Shostakovich

In reality, I am well aware of your work which, even if it is that of an amateur, is truly precious. I am so aware of it that if you click on n. 15 Opus 144, you will see the surprise.

Bye and thanks for everything.

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Reply 4 by Zazza

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I was not aware of Terenzio's work, S. is certainly a very important composer; I don't think he is among the giants of the last century in terms of innovation; certainly, because of his taste and the greatness of his music, I count him among the greats and there is no need for me to say it

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Reply 5 by Terenzio

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I had already seen the quote for which I wanted to thank you, but I made a bit of a mess responding to the post and the thank-you phrase was lost.

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Reply 6 by danielescarpetti

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Zazza wrote:

I was not familiar with Terenzio's work; Shostakovich is certainly a very important composer, though I do not think he belongs among the giants of the last century in terms of innovation; certainly, due to his taste and the greatness of his music, I count him among the greats, and there is no need for me to say so.

Shostakovich was certainly not an innovator if we compare him to the dodecaphonic revolution and the subsequent ones that were contemporary to him. But it must be added that even if he had wanted to, he could not have been one while remaining in the Soviet Union, where the Stalinist regime never accepted music that was too far outside of its clichés. The composer himself ran the risk of meeting the same fate as many of his compatriots—deported or assassinated—for having composed a 'truly extraordinary opera' such as «Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District» and, truly symptomatic, was his relationship with Stalin in that sense.

I think it is right, however, to state that while Shostakovich may not have been an innovator in the twentieth-century sense of the term, he was not equally a late Romantic or post-Romantic conservative. Although his music remains within the framework of tonality, it departs significantly from previous stereotypes, and I am not referring only to a Rachmaninov, but also to another great fellow countryman and contemporary of his, such as Prokofiev. In this sense, I would say that the corpus of the Quartets is the composer's crowning achievement.

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Reply 7 by Kappa

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I might be wrong Daniele, but the revolution was made by Schoenberg (since you mention dodecaphony) and the reaction was made by Stravinsky (since you mention the Russians). In my opinion, these two are the greatest of the 1900s (and I wouldn't forget Stockhausen). Shostakovich, in my opinion as well, is an excellent and great musician, like Rachmaninov, Prokofiev or Bartok, but many others ...

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Reply 8 by danielescarpetti

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Kappa wrote:

I might be wrong Daniele, but the revolution was made by Schoenberg (since you mention dodecaphony) and the reaction was made by Stravinsky (since you mention the Russians). In my opinion, these are the 2 greatest of the '900s (and I wouldn't forget Stockhausen). Shostakovich, in my opinion as well, is an excellent and great musician, like Rachmaninov, Prokofiev or Bartok, but many others ...

Regarding the fact that the revolution was made by Schoenberg, there is no doubt. As for the rest of your argument, I say this: extreme opposites are not necessarily also the 2 greatest of an era. From my point of view, Stravinsky was certainly the greatest of the last century, but I find it a bit harder to consider Schoenberg as such as well. But it could be a matter of taste.

I said that Shostakovich was the greatest Soviet composer and I don't want to go further, but, having said that, I am also quite convinced that even today there is not yet an exact real perception of his greatness. But, once again, I might be biased by personal tastes, I don't doubt it.

Bartok and Prokofiev - I absolutely struggle to follow you with Rachmaninov - were certainly very great, but I think Shostakovich was on a higher step.

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Reply 9 by Terenzio

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When talking about Shostakovich and trying to frame his figure, one must remember that besides being a great musician, he was also a true and authentic communist who really believed in the revolution and the Soviet system. In my opinion, this was perhaps his limit, which did not allow him to manifest all his musical possibilities, accepting the limitations imposed by the regime as coming from a system in which he believed. Of course, there were repressed musical tensions within him that occasionally emerged covered by a subtle irony, but then when Stalin spoke, everything was accepted: the criticisms, the reprimands, the expulsion from the Union of Composers and the subsequent misery, etc.

Just to recall two episodes that, in my opinion, provide a picture of the man.

On April 16, 1917, at the age of eleven, he finds himself by chance at the Leningrad station and listens to Lenin's speech as he returns to his homeland in the famous sealed train, remaining fascinated by the spectacle and carrying that memory for his entire life.

On September 16, 1941, he makes a radio speech in besieged Leningrad that is that of a true communist composer. The speech can be read in my listening guide to the Seventh Symphony (it is one of the few guides I have written myself and not copied).

http://www.flaminioonline.it/Guide/Shostakovich/Shostakovich-Sinfonia7.html

http://www.flaminioonline.it/Guide/Shostakovich/Shostakovich-Sinfonia7.html

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Reply 10 by danielescarpetti

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Was Shostakovich a true and authentic communist?

According to Stalin, he was an "enemy of the people"; according to American academics, he was "perhaps Russia's most loyal musical son"; according to others, he was an "inconsistent," a "coward," a "mediocre human being," a "morally impotent and servile accomplice."

I said that, even today, 39 years after his death on August 5, 1975—I remember that day as if it were today: me under a parasol in Pinarella di Cervia, while my father, reading L'Unità, announced his death to me—his human and compositional figure is not yet justly valued in its greatness, and the reason lies entirely in those prejudices I have reported here, which make him disliked even by many who listen to classical music.

Shostakovich was a true communist, if by that we mean a man who truly believed it was possible to create an alternative world to that of then and now. He was not a communist if by that we think of the many murderers who, in the name of communism, committed unspeakable horrors.

He was a man who, in his enormous contradiction, was only apparently fragile, not vile but courageous, whose music terrified the whole world, both Soviet and anti-Soviet, a victim but, ultimately, a winner, even if this battle found him completely disfigured physically and psychologically in his last 10 years of life.

His struggle was with Stalin. A struggle that lasted even after March 6, 1953, when the bloodthirsty dictator died. A struggle that was not explicit but always between the lines, which led him and his family to always live on the brink of catastrophe, under the constant threat of being arrested, exiled, or assassinated—and let us not be dazzled by the state prizes he received on this subject.

He loved his Fatherland, he loved his Leningrad: "Leningrad is my homeland. My birthplace, my home. And many other thousands of Leningraders feel what I feel. A feeling of infinite love for my native city, for its wide streets, for its squares and its incomparably beautiful buildings. When I walk through our city, a feeling of profound security arises within me, that Leningrad will stand forever solemn on the banks of the Neva, that Leningrad will constitute a powerful support for my Fatherland through the centuries, that it will multiply the achievements of culture through the centuries."

Thus, Shostakovich's victory over Stalin was this: the victory of immortal culture and art over ignorance, arrogance, malice, and tyranny.

"The creation of genius before us occurs with the beauty of a time past"; for the composer, the invisible is much more than the visible, the tangible, or that which can be touched.

Shostakovich was always proud to have managed to continue composing even after the harsh attacks of 1936 and 1948 and, through his art, he always continued his dialogue with Stalin. He did this also in his Tenth Symphony, which he composed in the very year of the dictator's death: the second movement is a wild and terrifying scherzo which, according to Shostakovich himself, is the musical portrait of Stalin. He was a great master of hidden motifs, of citations, and juxtapositions of rhythmic figures. In the Tenth, Stalin is recognized through the music from the film "The Fall of Berlin," by the composer's own musical signature: the D-Eb-C-B theme, which appeared in previous works only as an allusion but here becomes the central theme. This theme is set against Stalin's in the Finale and, in the duel, wins, as if to say: you are dead but I am alive. But in reality, the metaphor should instead be read in this sense: tyrants are all mortal, art is instead eternal, culture is the only shield we have against ignorance, evil, and violence."

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Reply 12 by thallo

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Kappa wrote:

I might be wrong Daniele, but the revolution was made by Schoenberg (since you mention dodecaphony) and the reaction was made by Stravinsky (since you mention the Russians). In my opinion, these are the 2 greatest of the '900s (and I wouldn't forget Stockhausen). Shostakovich, in my opinion as well, is an excellent and great musician, like Rachmaninov, Prokofiev or Bartok, but many others ...

Just to reverse the chronological terms, which change the cause-and-effect relationships: if Schoenberg's revolution is dodecaphony, it was also a reaction TO Stravinsky. Traditionally, Schoenberg's Variations for Orchestra op. 31 are considered the composer's first dodecaphonic work, and date to 1928. The Rite of Spring is from 1913... and, for the record, even if they are not his most well-known and appreciated works, there are quite a few dodecaphonic pieces written by Stravinsky.

I would very much like to delve deeper into Shostakovich. As with all composers who dedicated little to vocal music, I have had a partial and "textbook" approach. And even Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District, I listened to it once; I was shocked but I never had the "courage" to listen to it again...

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thallo wrote:

I would very much like to delve deeper into Shostakovich. As with all composers who dedicated little to vocal music, I have had a partial and "textbook" approach. And even Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District, I listened to it once; I was devastated but I never had the "courage" to return to it...

A while ago, I wrote about this opera and, if it can be useful, I am reposting it here.

Dmitri Shostakovich was the greatest Soviet composer. He joined the Communist Party with great conviction, but soon realized that the hopes born from that event sank in the hands of a handful of ruthless bureaucrats who, under another guise, sought to perpetuate that power—using the same means and systems—that had previously belonged to the Tsars.

His great attachment to his beloved Motherland meant that he did not decide to emigrate—as many others had done—but remained there, enduring countless hardships.

But at what moment did the great composer realize that things were heading in a different direction than the one desired?

It was when, after composing the beautiful opera "Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District, Op. 29" between 1930 and 1932, and after it had been staged in 1934 with great success to the point of being revived for almost a year, the cultural apparatus of the Party lashed out against him, forcing him to withdraw his work.

In the opera in question, Shostakovich embraced the boldest experiences of European expressionism, and this was the reason that attracted the lightning bolts of the Soviet nomenclature: dictatorships—of whatever color they may be—are the greatest enemies of every instance of progress.

Andrei Aleksandrovich Zhdanov, responsible for Soviet culture, became the main architect of this attack and demanded from the musical theater mandatory optimistic conclusions, celebrations of positive heroes, and exaltation of the Soviet nation, all naturally accompanied by very melodic music far from the "degenerations of the bourgeois avant-garde."

And to think that this opera was born precisely to express the composer's anti-bourgeois sentiments. In fact, regarding this matter, he wrote: "Katerina is a beautiful and intelligent young woman who is suffocating in a world of vulgar merchants (...). She has a husband, but knows no joy at all (...). The murders she commits are not actual crimes, but rather a revolt against the environment, against the sordid and nauseating atmosphere in which the bourgeoisified merchants of the 19th century live (...)"

In Shostakovich's opera, there is above all the entire lesson of the theater of Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky, combined with the great symphonic lesson of Gustav Mahler, all amalgamated and made original by his own great, immense musical genius.

The second act seems exactly like one of those famous movements with a funeral march rhythm found in some of Mahler's symphonies. Katerina, together with her lover Sergei, commits a double murder: first her father-in-law and subsequently her husband; Shostakovich's mastery and ability to accompany the various moments of the story are great: the moods, the atmospheres, but also the smallest details, producing music that truly seems to speak.

Mussorgsky, on the other hand, emerges in the fourth act where, after the intimate character of the previous three, the opera becomes choral in type, just like the two wonderful operas: "Boris Godunov" and "Khovanshchina." The two murdering lovers are together with many convicts deported to Siberia, and here another comparison is mandatory, but this time of a literary nature: Leo Tolstoy's novel "Resurrection." There too, the story concludes with a long march of the deportees toward Siberia and, in both cases, a woman is the protagonist... But the similarities, from this point of view, end there. If Katyusha—the protagonist of "Resurrection"—is indeed completely innocent and therefore a complete victim of all circumstances, Katerina is guilty. But the pity, the compassion, the solidarity that I feel for both these two Women is the same. Both are indeed victims of a wrong and corrupt world, both are victims of a society, of a deeply chauvinistic world, and both, finally, are part of that Humanity formed by the marginalized, the outcasts of the Earth.

In 1934, Shostakovich wanted to give Katerina—unlike the original character of Nikolay Semyonovich Leskov, from whom the drama is drawn—a much more human face to characterize her much more from a social point of view: Katerina is a victim of a system that places wealth at the center of its values and which leads many people to commit crimes in its name.

But what strikes me deeply is the diametrically opposite atmosphere that concludes these two works.

compared to two cornerstones of the theater from the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

As already seen in Mussorgsky's theater, in Shostakovich the final message is one of terrible pessimism: a terrible triumph of darkness, of night, of gloom: Katerina throws herself into the river, taking with her the new lover of her beloved Sergej, but before doing this, she sings a beautiful song:

In the woods, where it is thickest, there is a lake:

Round and round and very deep,

The water is black.

Black as my conscience.

And when the wind blows in the woods,

Waves rise upon the lake,

great waves, and it is terrible:

In autumn there are always many of them.

Black water and great waves,

Black, great waves

The sense of darkness is already very profound and the opera concludes with a song by a forced laborer:

And he walks, walks without rest,

The chains clank in rhythm,

The verses are sadly counted

Raising dust with his feet!

To which the other forced laborers echo:

Oh, you, immeasurable steppes,

Endless days and nights

And inconsolable thoughts

And inhuman gendarmes.

Ah!...

After the experience of this opera, Shostakovich, apart from some symphonies very compliant with the dictates of power, decided to compose only chamber music so as not to fall again into the clutches of Soviet censorship. In 1943 he thought of breaking this attitude by setting a text by Nikolay Vasilievich Gogol: "The Gamblers", but he soon realized that once again the story and the music of this opera would not be accepted by the Soviet power, so, overcome by the deepest discouragement, he decided to abandon the endeavor.

It is a truly great pity because the first act of this opera composed by him is truly exceptional, and I will not hesitate to state that if it had been completed, it would probably be counted among the great masterpieces of 20th-century musical theater.

In the same year he composed "Symphony No. 8 in C minor, Op. 65". We are in the midst of the Second World War, shortly after Nazi troops were repelled from Soviet soil. Naturally, the power asked the composer for a symphony that would celebrate this victory. But, once again, the composer did not satisfy his rulers. He indeed composed a score marked by the most absolute melancholy and the greatest pain dictated by the atrocities of war.

In all this sadness, however, the finale stands out with intimate music, a sunny pastoral with folk elements. Interviewed on the philosophical meaning of the symphony and specifically on the meaning of that finale, the composer said that he had wanted to describe his "pain towards man's violence against man" but, despite all this, in the finale, he wanted to affirm that despite everything "life is a wonderful thing, life and beauty will triumph."

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Reply 14 by Terenzio

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It is a very beautiful piece of writing that gives a very human touch to both the figure of Shostakovich and that of Lady Macbeth.

I am tempted to steal it from you and add it to the listening guide on my website.

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Reply 15 by danielescarpetti

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Terenzio wrote:

It is a very beautiful piece of writing that gives a very human touch to both the figure of Shostakovich and that of Lady Macbeth.

I am tempted to steal it from you and add it to the listening guide on my website.

Terenzio, if I told you that I would be highly honored, I would be saying very little. Do whatever you think is best. I have only one goal: to make people love great music of art.

Thank you to You and to all of You!

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Nice topic, also very interesting, which is why I wouldn't want to ruin it.

Joking aside, some phrases like revolution, reaction, Stravinsky and dodecaphony struck me; we are talking about the greatest composers of the last century, etc.

Proceeding in retrograde motion, first of all, I recall that a century is made of 100 and not 50 years… therefore Berio is undeniable.

Having clarified this detail, regarding the dodecaphony discussion, I noticed that certain dates are circulating in reference to specific works.

The dodecaphonic composition method was described by Schoenberg in a 1923 article entitled “Komposition mit 12 Tönen”, subsequently published in Style and Idea.

Opus 31 cited by Thallo is the exemplary (exemplary) work of this technique, and even though it is true that Stravinsky's Rite of Spring is from 1913, one should frame this work within the transformation of his (Stravinsky's) stylistic and musical journey.

The stages are fundamentally 3:

The Russian environment until 1920

The neoclassical period 1920-1950

And finally the serial period 1950-1971

In this last period, one can refer to Stravinsky in terms of dodecaphony. And to be clear, the three Viennese are dead, the series belongs to history and thus Stravinsky can use it: it is his contemporary response. Without citing works, in this case an exemplary work of his is «Variations: Aldous Huxley in memoriam». (to be clear we are in 1963-64, first performance in '65).

Thus Stravinsky uses the dodecaphonic technique with a certain freedom, demonstrating how this sound system, which appears very closed, can allow the artist to express themselves while respecting their own personality and aesthetic/stylistic characteristics.

One perceives all his intellectual, artistic, and expressive quality, and above all, it shows how an artist can express themselves and maintain their identity with a seemingly very closed system (as others have also managed to do before him), striving to understand the essence of what makes a language communicative, without closing oneself off to criticism and new ideas, and without forgetting that there is a past that belongs to us and that we cannot exclude, as if it did not exist.

Given this, Schoenberg revolution and Stravinsky reaction. Okay to the first, but Schoenberg himself had his own reaction. Listening to and analyzing Trio Op. 45 (from 1947), in addition to being a masterpiece of orchestration, does not use the same dodecaphony as Opus 31.

The suggestion is to delve into "combinatoriality hexachord" (this is already a reaction), already used by Schoenberg, analyzing the hexachordal transposition-rotation that Stravinsky applies.

Therefore, the issue is very complex.

Returning to the topic, I would like to know based on which parameters @Daniele you say this

danielescarpetti wrote:

Bartok and Prokofiev - I absolutely struggle to follow you with Rachmaninov - were certainly great, but I think Shostakovich was on a higher step.

I ask because if we analyze the first half of the 1900s, which is what is being discussed, along with Stravinsky, Bartok is one of those who succeeded in incorporating folk music into his own work, using different means than Stravinsky but with a dignity comparable to other solutions such as hyperchromaticism, dodecaphony, and the other solutions experimented with at the beginning of the last century to move away from tonality.

Shostakovich in all this, for many reasons already well highlighted, has a different role. I recognize the greatness of his musicality, but his presence/absence is quite insignificant for the evolution of music history. Like him and others already mentioned, so I would like, regardless of taste, to understand for example in what way Shostakovich is "superior" (assuming it makes sense to ask) compared to a Bartok... or why not, to our friend Rachmaninov.

And in turn, what they certainly lack compared to Schoenberg and Stravinsky... and in all this: Webern and Messiaen?

I mean, these are the names that should emerge as greatness when thinking of the 1900s; at the roll call, many of those who practically rewrote it are missing.

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Frank wrote:

Returning to the topic, I would like to know based on which parameters @Daniele you say this

I ask because if we analyze the first half of the 1900s, which is what we are talking about, along with Stravinsky, Bartok is one of those who succeeded in incorporating folk music into his own work, using different means than Stravinsky but with a dignity comparable to other solutions such as hyperchromaticism, dodecaphony, and the other solutions experimented with at the beginning of the last century to break away from tonality.

Shostakovich in all this, for many reasons already well highlighted, has a different role. I recognize the greatness of his musicality, but his presence/absence is quite insignificant for the evolution of music history. Like him and others already mentioned, which is why I would like, beyond personal taste, to understand in what way, for example, Shostakovich is "superior" (assuming it makes sense to ask) compared to a Bartok ... or why not, to his friend Rachmaninov.

And in turn, what do they certainly lack compared to Schoenberg and Stravinsky ... and in all this: Webern and Messiaen?

I mean, these are the names that should emerge as greatness when thinking about the 1900s; in the roll call, I am missing many of those who practically rewrote it.

So Frank, it is not my intention to get into a polemic about all this, also because I already know how it will end.

Times, the usual infinite list of composers comes up, with the clear intention of leveling them, upon which, in the end, our personal tastes prevail.

Ultimately, what matters to me is highlighting the greatness of Shostakovich, and I don't care at all about rankings, keeping in mind that while writing, being a passionate person, I certainly let myself get carried away.

Regarding the composers you name, I have nothing to object to, except Rachmaninov.

And on this composer, I will therefore ask you a question, exactly the opposite of the one you asked me: in what way do you find that Rachmaninov can, in some way, be equated in greatness to all the other composers you named - or who were named here - given that I - though I know I am not the only one in this - find it very difficult to count him, not only among the giants, but also among the greatest of the last century?

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Aside from the fact that there is no controversy, it simply seemed strange to me not to read any names when it was obvious that there were some (having read the premises). In reality, I am not citing Rachmaninov; one should ask Kappa; I only asked a question while reading one of your responses (specifically to Kappa).

In general, we are talking about topics that have already been thoroughly analyzed by musicology; the fact that there are composers who changed the way of writing, thinking, and listening to music is not a big secret. Speaking personally, in reference to this, even if I am not crazy about him, one cannot fail to mention Webern; a neglected giant is Messiaen; certainly, regarding the two aforementioned Schoenberg and Stravinsky, I take the liberty of reminding you of the already mentioned Stockhausen for the avant-garde, Berio, and Grisey.

It is not a matter of taste, but those reefs where the great flow of music history diverted. One could certainly be even more precise, but I don't have much time at the moment.

As for the other great composers (just for completeness, I am also a composer. Granted, I express myself in the 21st century), I can evaluate them on the level of musicality and the greatness of their works.

For Rachmaninov, I am dusting off this topic:

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/2244-rachmaninov-140

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Reply 20 by thallo

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It seems to me, however, that Frank tends to talk about composers who have had a place in the evolution of music history. In this sense, Shostakovich did not have a precise role; there is no pre-Shostakovich and post-Shostakovich, whereas there are post-Berio, post-Grisey, and post-Messiaen eras.

Daniele's approach seems more personal to me. He speaks of a composer dear to him, with a fascinating and debated personality. And who, from a certain point of view, was and is a "successful" composer.

I am not taking sides. And I will try to expose myself little. But I think, for example, of "The Rest is Noise", the big bestseller by Alex Ross, in which much space is given to composers "snubbed" by music history, such as Grieg, Shostakovich, and Britten, who, however, have been very successful with audiences and performers.

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