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Domenico Scarlatti Sonata L 33 In B Minor (K 87)

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Hi guys! I am looking for an incredible sonata that I would like to study. For me, it is the most beautiful sonata by Domenico Scarlatti and I find that in this piece there is all the pain of the world, along with a longing that is truly impossible to put into words. It is the sonata in B minor L 33 or ( K 87 ), depending on which catalogue one consults. Anyway, I have the historic Orowitz recording from London in '35 and ........it goes without saying that I am speechless. If someone could provide a score......maybe Urtext wouldn't be bad. Thanks in advance.

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Reply 3 by Thesimon

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I only have this version... Certainly not URTEX. We must wait for Gennarino for the URTEX. In the meantime, you can still start reading it...

Reply 4 by Gennarino

Curse!!!!!

I left full of sleep and I didn't bring my faithful CDs with me.

I will let you know upon my return (maybe sooner if I can).

Fabio73, will you ever be able to survive without oxygen?

I (and everyone else, I am sure) hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply 5 by giovannip

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Hi Fabio73, I also love this sonata; I recommend you listen to the version by the great Ivo Pogorelich, it is sublimeee!!! You can find it on YouTube

(P.S.: I am sending you the sheet music with fingering via email because I cannot insert it into the forum.)

Giovanni

Reply 6 by Gennarino

@Giovanni

To insert a score into the reply, instead of `Quick Reply` you must use `Reply with full editor`

A wide window will open with three sections: the first is for entering text, the second, named `Attachments`, is for entering files to attach.

You select the file to attach on your computer and upload it with the blue command `Attach this file`; when you have finished uploading, place the cursor in the part of the text you typed where you want the file to appear and then click on the `Insert into message` command that will have appeared in the `Attachments` area next to the uploaded file.

Finally, move past the third section and press the `Add reply` command

Hi, and I hope I have been precise.

Reply 7 by Gennarino

Since we are here, this time let's talk about bookworms instead of writers.

The opportunity is given to me by this chat about our Domenicuccio : (oh yes, I also come from those parts and not by chance all are diminutives: Domenicuccio, Giacomino, Gennarino, etc.).

Reference was made to two numbering systems: the Lxxx and the Kxxx. (there is also a Pnumbering, due to Giorgio Pestelli, who published "Le sonate di Domenico Scarlatti" in 1967)

Anyway, I don't have everything with me, but at least I found something; so, here is the history of the L and the K.

The Neapolitan Alessandro Longo (1864-1945), son of Achille, piano teacher, organist and composer, was the author of the first complete work on the harpsichord works of Domenico Scarlatti, published in 1906 by Ricordi.

For years Scarlatti's sonatas were identified, following this edition, by the initials "L" followed by the order number.

The work certainly had the merit of making 545 sonatas known, whereas at the time of publication only a few dozen were barely known.

Unfortunately, the criteria adopted by Longo did not take into account the author's intentions or temporal succession, neglecting the concepts of pairing and grouping suggested by the manuscripts.

For this reason as well, today the reference critical edition is that of Kirkpatrick from 1953 and the Scarlatti works are designated with "Kirkpatrick Numbers" (KN).

The American Ralph Kirkpatrick (1911โ€“1984) is known as a harpsichordist, but above all as a musician and musicologist who dedicated more than ten years of his life to the knowledge of our Domenico Scarlatti.

His concerts and recordings are famous, including the complete works for harpsichord by J.S. Bach.

Scarlatti was at the center of his interests, and to find the traces and documents necessary for his work, Kirkpatrick traveled through Italy, Portugal, Spain, and other European countries where his manuscripts were kept.

After many years, his work remains unsurpassed and represents, besides a historical document of great value, also a work full of precious elements for the performer, dictated by an expert in the subject matter.

What can I say at this point?

All that remains for me is to show you L33-K87, where the four polyphonic lines of writing and the interesting rhythmic pattern that will also be found in many of the subsequent sonatas appear prominently.

Even if not of high quality, listen, besides Pogorelich, also to the harpsichord performance of the sonata by Scott Ross, in his opera omnia on Scarlatti's sonatas.

Bye

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Reply 8 by giovannip

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Thanks Gennarino for the advice, I see that the sheet music I intended to upload (the version with fingering) has been uploaded by you. Greetings and thank you again.

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Reply 9 by maquieto

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Thank you all so much, truly. Now I have both versions and I am already singing them. You are unique.

P.S. I knew about the "L" and the "K" but anyway you provided an excellent and copious explanation, thank you!

Reply 10 by Gennarino

@Fabio73

Dear Fabio, I had no doubt that you knew about Ln and Kn!

It's just that I take every opportunity to pleasantly occupy my time and dedicate it to people who, like you and me, love music.

Finally, the opportunity to tell something gives us the right to learn a little bit more, as it was also on this occasion (for example, I had never read this Sonata and now I am reading it alongside my wife).

Bye

Reply 12 by Gennarino

Sorry for only replying now, but I am traveling around Romania.

Splendid!

When I get back, I will get to work; and it's among those I am planning.

Bye

Reply 13 by Gennarino

Fabio,

Something huge and terrible has happened !!!!!

Gennarino is back from Romania (don't worry, he'll be leaving again soon!!!) and he has started studying, as he promised, the L33 (K87).

On Youtube I also found Him again, the wonderful one!

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