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November 17, 2013, 18:28

Hi everyone, I have a curiosity: I would like to know what your favorite piece by Beethoven is in general and then... what is your favorite violin and piano sonata and which recording (there is always one that suits your taste) and solo piano sonata

io I will say it later though ahahah

gianni22

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November 17, 2013, 18:34

I like The Tempest

antares86

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November 17, 2013, 18:38

beautiful sonata I had a half idea of doing it in the future once the pathetic one is finished.... I must say however that my favorite piece is one of the sonatas for violin and piano

danielescarpetti

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November 30, 2013, 21:48

But blessed boy of mine, how can one ever answer this question?

Try asking a reserve question!

LucaCavaliere

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November 30, 2013, 23:31

Well... if it is restricted to sonatas for violin and piano the question is "easier"... mine is the one in C minor (op. 30 no. 2)

as a piece in general instead... the first movement of the Eroica ... but also the finale of the sonata op. 31 no. 1 ...

and op. 126 no. 3 ... (hardly a bagatelle!)

antares86

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December 1, 2013, 01:16

if I have to speak in general terms, I'd say the second movement of the ninth symphony, but my true passion is the Kreutzer sonata......

daniele try to narrow the field down to just piano or chamber music ahahahah

danielescarpetti

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December 1, 2013, 11:28

My dear neighbor, the matter is actually more complex than one might believe.

I could say that it depends on the days or the periods I am given to live. There are days when I prefer that “piece” and others that one!

Until very recently, if anyone had asked me which was my preferred Beethoven Piano Concerto, I would have said the Fourth. Now I would say the Fifth! But is it really true? Well!

Which is my favorite Piano Sonata? Opus 111, 106, 110, 109, the..... I don't know, and fortunately so! The Beethoven Piano Sonata I prefer is perhaps the one I am listening to at that very moment - let it be clear I am only referring to the greatest ones!

Which Symphony or movement do I like most? The Adagio from the Ninth.... perhaps! But then I think of other movements and other symphonies and... we are back at the beginning!

The Quartet? Opus 130 (the one with the Great Fugue finale, though)? Indeed | But what can one say about Opus 131 and 132, how could they be second or third?

Here, perhaps regarding the Violin and Piano Sonatas, I have no doubts: Opus 47 - like you - is unsurpassed!

But if then I have to reshuffle everything and decide whether I prefer a piece from a Sonata or from a Symphony or from a Quartet or from...!

Stop, the game ends here, my friend!

Yet another proof of love:

my dear friends, the truth is that Beethoven is immense, and only if one manages to penetrate him in his totality can one understand how far a human mind can go. His human mind! :wub: :wub:

Tiger

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December 2, 2013, 16:32

danielescarpetti wrote:
Beethoven is immense and

And so far we are in agreement, although he wouldn't be the only one... there are many imensities in the musical field...

I am writing this because continuing to quote Daniele

danielescarpetti wrote:
only if one manages to penetrate him in his totality can one understand how far a human mind can go. His human mind!

I am quoting the thought of a recognized genius, not my own, which would be too easy to "refute":

Perhaps only genius can entirely understand another genius.

Robert Schumann, Rules of Musical Life, 1845

All this to relaunch the issue with a question: are we sure that we are able to truly grasp how far a human mind can go?

danielescarpetti

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December 5, 2013, 22:08

What is a genius?

This forum already asked itself this some time ago in a topic and, as always, when similar questions are posed, one never arrives at a shared answer and, therefore, it seems useless to reopen this discussion here, which would result in nothing.

I only permit myself to state that if it were true that there were so many geniuses - or immensities - they would not be such if they were only great composers, or painters, or sculptors, or poets.

The genius is a phenomenon that within the scope of the history of an art presents itself only very rarely! Otherwise, it would not be such!

Beethoven was a genius, Schumann was not! A very great composer but not a genius.

And regarding his phrase, many very great composers, after Beethoven, did not fully or completely understand his artistic Work and others - like Schubert, Berlioz, Schumann - precisely!!! - perceived it, but not to the end and did not know how to draw the due consequences from it.

Beethoven was fully understood only in the 20th century and not by everyone. This is not because they were greater geniuses than those of the 19th century, but because in the meantime - paraphrasing Schubert - a lot of water had indeed passed under the Danube.

Beethoven shouted to his friend and protector Prince Lichnovsky that there was only one Beethoven. And he was right!

As with Alighieri, Buonarroti, or Shakespeare, there is only one Beethoven. They are not the only "immense" ones in their arts. There are also a few others, but for different reasons.