finale 2012…irregular groups & small groups (ornaments)

While waiting for precise answers, here you will find many ideas

www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/1601-finale-2009-sbaglia-gruppi-irregolari-a-fine-battuta

- First case, insert the first note, from the instruments menu --> irregular group --> click on the note... you will find everything you might need

In this regard, in the topic indicated by Oracolo, shortcuts and workarounds are described in case there are problems (like at the end of a measure).

- Second case: I didn't understand if you want them small or not

hi, thanks for your helpful contributions!

i (everyone here knows it by now) struggle a bit with foreign languages… and unfortunately my Finale 2012 is in English!

could you please (!!! ;-p) suggest the voice related to "irregular group"? (of course in the meantime I am trying

to find it on my own).

as for my second doubt, I meant small notes, like the ornaments used a lot by Baroque harpsichordists, to be clear.

anyway….small notes.

thanks again

ScalaQuaranta

ScalaQuaranta wrote:

i (as everyone here knows by now) struggle a bit with foreign languages… and unfortunately my Finale 2012 is in English!

could you, for mercy's sake (!!! ;-p) suggest the term related to "irregular group"? (of course, in the meantime I am trying

to figure it out on my own).

This always helps

http://translate.google.it/#it/en/

Anyway Tool-->Tuplet tool

ScalaQuaranta wrote:

type the ornaments used a lot by Baroque harpsichordists, to be clear.

anyway….small notes.

Insert an appoggiatura with the appropriate icon and then always from the Tool-->Tuplet tool menu, choose the rest

ok, problem solved, infinite thanks to everyone for the precious tips!

sorry if I take advantage of this... another problem has come up.

i used to know how to do it once, but now I don't remember how anymore.

in essence, I would like to be able to insert a clef (be it treble, bass, or alto) within a measure;

not at the beginning and not across measures, to be clear... but e.g. on the 3rd beat of a 5/4 measure.

how do you do it? obviously, the request is submitted with the following premise: "PLEASE" ;-D

ScalaQuaranta

- Select the measure part you are interested in with the mouse

- Select the icon with the bass clef drawn on it

- Double click the mouse on the previously selected area

- Choose the new clef you are interested in ... ok

- Once the operation is finished, the new clef will have a small white square on one side (to the left) that can be used to fine-tune the positioning... click the mouse on the small square and while holding it down, move laterally (right or left)

I have another doubt, guys! Which is anyway always related to the tuplet tool... I think. ok for irregular groups...ok for little groups of notes...

Now, between one half note and another half note, I would like to insert a long flurry of tiny notes, a cadenza, so to speak (not in a harmonic sense but in a pianistic and concertistic sense). Who can enlighten me?

Do you mean black notes, small and without stems ...like Chopin used to do?

Not exactly. I would say rather with the legs. To explain myself better, I am talking about 15-16 notes, or rather little notes but with a leg, Liszt-style.

Create an irregular group of 15 or 16 notes; since you want stems, you choose how many and of what value in each quarter, eighth, etc. …

[By now you should be a professional at this, but give me a whistle if you have further difficulties]

… then…

Advanced Tools, Special Tools, Notehead Shape

Choose the layer you are interested in (1, 2, 3 or 4)

Some white squares will light up to the left of the note of the selected measure, double-click the mouse (right click) to open the selection menu… choose the head you like

Do this for all the notes in the irregular group

End of work

Thanks frank. As soon as I get home I'll try it. But I didn't understand one thing: with the second part of the procedure you indicated, does only the notehead change, or does the sizing of the stems and flags also change automatically and proportionally (in my case, the latter would be joined since it is a group of 15-16 notes)

Regarding what Frank suggested, it only applies to the head...in the thick menu you can also customize the stems (even freehand)

It's easier to do than to say...try it and then we'll see if there is any catch

I solved it in the most shamefully banal way possible: I selected the appoggiatura/acciaccatura icon from the musical figures box and inserted the little notes I needed, like this... one after another. Thanks to everyone for your input

Alternative solution, select the line you are interested in; from the Utilities -> Change -> Note Size... menu Set the desired percentage