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Franco Donatoni - Hot

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Opening post by Xenakis

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Franco Donatoni - Hot

Why do you think it doesn't appeal to the public?

I have doubts that it is truly his best work; aside from a certain harmonic grayness, it seems to me that it lapses into boredom even regarding development and rhythm, furthermore it drags on a bit... it almost seems as if he wants to pay homage to minimalism... at the expense of the strength of his own stylistic traits. In short, the result is an unconvincing piece.

What do you say?

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Reply 2 by RedScharlach

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Xenakis wrote:

Why do you think it is not liked by the public?

Sorry, I didn't understand this premise... What tells you that Hot, in particular, is not liked "by the public"?

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Reply 3 by Frank

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RedScharlach wrote:

i didn't understand this premise... What tells you that Hot, in particular, is not liked "by the public"?

In fact, I was asking myself the same question. At the moment, I am not sure if it is among Donatoni's most performed or popular works... maybe even some Jazz musician might like it

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Reply 4 by Xenakis

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When I talk about this work to my circle of acquaintances, who are enthusiasts of Contemporary Music, I always happen to get negative opinions... so I have formed the idea that in the end it is not among Donatoni's favorites. So I was trying to ask myself why this is the case. For example, do you like it? If so, what in particular? If not, do you share my opinion?

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Reply 5 by RedScharlach

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To tell the truth, I remembered page 4 of Donatoni, where Enzo Restagno speaks of it in quite enthusiastic terms.

http://books.google.it/books?id=GEwgkdzTotoC&printsec=frontcover&hl=it#v=onepage&q&f=false

In particular when he says "The fascination of that music goes far beyond jazz-like inflections. The sound matter decomposes, articulating itself following unpredictable perspectives; the composer's invention lurks at every note, capable of gathering and developing the innumerable virtualities of the sonic fabric".

For this reason, it seemed strange to me to preface that it is a little-loved piece.

Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I must say that generally speaking I agree with your opinion, especially when you say that "it drags on a bit". Not because it lasts fifteen minutes, obviously... the total duration is not the problem! I believe the problem is the duration of the individual sections: 30-40 seconds are too many, given the material. It is a question of proportions. In my opinion, 20 seconds (like Arpège, which is one of my favorites) would have been ideal; it would have made the piece much leaner and given it more bite.

http://books.google.it/books?id=GEwgkdzTotoC&printsec=frontcover&hl=it#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Reply 6 by Xenakis

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Stagnation or non-Stagnation, you are the sixth acquaintance (albeit virtual) who gives me feedback that is not fully positive...

RedScharlach wrote:

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I must say that on the whole I agree with your opinion, especially when you say that "it drags on a bit". Not because it lasts fifteen minutes, obviously... the total duration is not the problem! I think the problem is the duration of the individual sections: 30-40 seconds are too many, given the material. It's a matter of proportions. In my opinion, 20 seconds (like Arpège, which is one of my favorites) would have been ideal; they would have made the piece much leaner and given it more bite.

Hence my topic

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Reply 7 by AbateFaria

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@RedScharlach

By ear or do you have the score?

In both cases, could you briefly give some more references regarding the sections? Just so we understand... "when, where, and why"

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Reply 8 by RedScharlach

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Unfortunately I don't have the score, however the principle is quite evident

00.42 trumpet and trombone enter

01.15 sax and clarinet enter

01.56 sax and clarinet begin to flourish

and so on...

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