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Freedom (after listening carefully to your points of view)

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Since I started "composing" this musical genre a couple of months ago, I have been discovering very interesting things... one of these (and certainly the main one) is that composition is a continuous journey. But not in the way the Trance genre teaches, not at all! It is a journey into ourselves, to places we never go in daily life. Before putting down something concrete, one must first concretize a very precise idea—obvious, of course—but less obvious is that to do this, one must have a clear vision of oneself. Our emotional state heavily influences the (successful) outcome of the final piece.

In these 2 months of attempting "composition," I have learned to have a much clearer vision of my emotions and my being than I have in 23 (almost 24) years of life. Simply mind-blowing!

With this premise, I would like to bring my latest "composition" to your attention (I insist on using quotation marks). Reading some of your comments has made me think a lot about my current situation. About what my pieces are, what they lack, and why they weren't good. Subsequently, following a heartbreak, I threw myself into it with much suffering (the heart is our weak point, as you well know) and much goodwill, and this is the result. I have tried to address the shortcomings of previously posted pieces and have carefully weighed the words of those who commented.

Piccinesco rightly said that I must not disappoint myself, and even less so you, because we are not in a competition. More than fair. But if I want to make this passion a dream, a hope for my future, it would also be time to start satisfying some ears...

https://soundcloud.com/soundtek-1/freedom

Videoclip wrote to me in a post:

let's just say that compared to your other track that I listened to, this one seems quite a bit below par

I hope this time I have been (at least) up to the standard of the previous one..

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Reply 2 by Oracolo

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I haven't listened yet and I will do so shortly:

Yannick wrote:

Since I started "composing" this musical genre a couple of months ago, I have been discovering very interesting things.. one of these (and certainly the main one) is that composition is a continuous journey.

I can confirm to you that it is always true, regardless of the genre.

Yannick wrote:

Reading certain comments of yours has made me think a lot about my current situation.

Surely comparing oneself with others can become a moment of growth, if experienced "serenely" as in your case.

Yannick wrote:

se I want to make this passion of mine a dream, a hope for my future, it would also be time to start satisfying a few ears..

In my opinion, first and foremost, one must satisfy oneself, with the awareness that the track will be aimed at an audience.

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Reply 3 by Yannick

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Oracolo wrote:

Surely comparing oneself with others can become a moment of growth, if experienced "serenely" as in your case.

In order for this to happen, I believe one must have the ability to look in the mirror and have the humility to accept one's own limits and weaknesses, not to be ashamed (and therefore hide) when others see your limits and point them out, but rather to have the courage to face things head-on and take everything with maturity, having the strength to act with head held high regarding one's shortcomings and not to show off for what one already knows how to do.

Correct me if I am wrong.

This path is hard, because it exposes what we hide in adolescence and what we learn to mask out of pride. But it is certainly the only right path that leads you somewhere, to a sort of inner completeness... I don't know how to explain it... let's just say it's like a wound: if it heals without stinging, then you aren't disinfecting it properly.

Oracolo wrote:

In my opinion, first and foremost, one must satisfy oneself, with the awareness that the piece will be directed toward an audience.

Exactly right. The problem arises at the moment when one is unable to satisfy even oneself for 1000 reasons (in my case, for example, I don't feel entirely satisfied because this track is not exactly what I had in mind when I started it. It might be a good "composition", okay, but personally it doesn't satisfy me because I wasn't able to "compose" exactly what I had set out to do at the beginning).

Anyway, I would like to ask for an opinion from the more experienced ones. The entire piece was "composed" without using even a single black key. Can I consider it a success? Or just a case of tonality?

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Reply 4 by Bit

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Intriguing beginning, I don't know if persevering for 2 and a half minutes in the same soundscape is a good idea, afterwards it seems to want to change everything... but it doesn't change much.

I felt the need to imagine (images!) something to support the track, in the sense that it isn't bad in itself, on the contrary I like it; as I was saying, it is captivating and it is hard to pull off 5 minutes with the same texture... it has the flavor of a very long introduction, well conducted, but without supporting images it is difficult. Certainly much better than the previous one.

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Reply 5 by Videoclip

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I agree with Bit, what I can say in this case is that you can feel you put a lot of care into it... the absence of images certainly weakens the effectiveness of the sounds you are seeking, because those following it are not "distracted" by the flow of a film (or similar), or the presence of dialogue, but are entirely dedicated to the music... and 5 minutes are starting to be a demanding duration. Which film scene lasts that long? All this to say that if centrally, right where you felt the need for something to happen (but perhaps even a good handful of seconds before), you proposed a different section (not necessarily contrasting) in order to create anticipation for the return of the initial section... it could be that the piece could stand on its own. In short, music and nothing else without adding anything else.

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Reply 6 by Yannick

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I thank you both. Indeed, it is a piece that should be accompanied by images... but I am not good with videos

Videoclip wrote:

Tutto per dire che se centralmente, proprio dove hai sentito l'esigenza di far accadere qualcosa (ma magari anche una bella manciata di secondi prima) proponevi una sezione diversa (non per forza contrastante) in modo da creare un'attesa alla ripresa della sezione iniziale...può essere che il brano potesse stare in piedi da solo. Insomma, musica e basta senza aggiungere altro.

Do you mean a more radical change of the theme in the central part?

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Reply 7 by Videoclip

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Yannick wrote:

Effectively, it is a piece that should be accompanied by images... but I am not good with videos

So there are 2 possibilities: either you add the images or you make sure their absence doesn't weigh on the listening experience, meaning you would have to create a piece that is autonomous... I mean, without giving up those soundscapes. How?

Yannick wrote:

Do you mean a more radical change of theme in the central part?

D­Let's say this could be one way (not the only one, mind you) to raise the level of attention

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Reply 8 by Yannick

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Videoclip wrote:

without giving up on those soundscapes. How?

Eh.. how? if I force myself to do something different from what I feel inside, something crappy comes out.. and "unfortunately" inside I feel this musical genre and this style..

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Reply 9 by Videoclip

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Eh.. what? if I force myself to do something different from what I feel inside, a piece of junk comes out.. and "unfortunately" inside I feel this musical genre and this style..

I fear I explained myself poorly; you don't have to give up your style and your aesthetic, but rather shape that material to keep the listener's attention alive ). It is a matter of technique, it has nothing to do with the poetics... you won't write 100 identical pieces, right? ... and they will always be the ones you feel are yours, that you want... it's just that they won't be "monothematic"

To put it briefly, "make them travel in pairs"... especially if you want to reach a decent duration without supporting images

I hope this is clearer

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Reply 10 by AleGozzo

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hi, I'm stepping in a bit rudely because I find this continuous bringing up of "what I have inside," the "go where your heart leads you" etc., to be cloying.

now, the issue is that music requires quite a bit of "craftsmanship" and awareness of what one is doing, all the more so if you want to venture into the world of applied music, where time is money and professionalism counts more than anything. I find your "looking inside yourself" to be deleterious because you will continue to do the same things over and over again (once better, another time worse, another time so-so...).

I had already expressed my conviction that you have talent, but hearing the other pieces as well, your problem is that you possess an absolute musical naivety, and this is weighing you down.

so, you don't have the means for a teacher and that's fine, but on the internet you can find plenty of material to deepen your knowledge on your own and also forums where you can ask for opinions/explanations.

more than harmony (a foundation is needed but it isn't difficult, and in-depth knowledge will serve you if you want to make a leap in quality, but for now you can even find notes by ear since you are good at that), you need to deepen your understanding of how a piece is made, what the sections composing it are, how a theme is constructed from the point of view of its form etc.

It's full of books, manuals, analyses and listening guides to musical masterpieces that can show you the way, and you can find a lot on the internet.

start with some free harmony texts to at least get an idea of what a tonic, a dominant and other basic concepts are, then move on to listening explained by texts and analyses which will not be lacking

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Reply 11 by Piccinesco

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The difficult part is ‒ "detaching oneself" from the example—, which can be excellent, good, decent, or terrible, and here, beyond analysis, it is a matter of taste.

I agree 50% with Alessandro, and he knows for what reason.

I agree with the fact that if one relies — "solely" — on one's own state of mind and goes at random, by feeling, by instinct (as I often do, although much less than in the past), results will be fluctuating and inconsistent, at least until one has a minimal and solid foundation to start from.

I am very far behind with harmony; I have studied it but I am very far behind, suffice it to say that I still need to study progressions, and a small indecision caused me to stop 2 years ago, in addition to the fact that the teacher who was following me from that moment could no longer follow me. But what I have done, sometimes without realizing it, I put into practice; they might seem like nonsense, but they are more than useful, necessary to get work done in less time, and music of this type (I am speaking generally about applied music, which in this case is not such in the sense that you didn't start from images; there the discussion could, I say could, become complicated, because it is as if a person provides you with a text and you have to set it to music; it is not guaranteed that doing so is automatic and especially successful, but the craft of a film composer is certainly difficult because one must be able to be oneself even when scoring images that do not inspire them at first glance, and above all within a set timeframe, without the freedom one has in composing pieces for oneself and then releasing them) requires set timings above all, and I won't mention the rest because I am sure you already know (all factors that contribute to making a piece, or a series of pieces, a single unit with the film).

I would like to try sooner or later to score any extract from a film, precisely to "train" myself in this type of "work," because it is indeed work (I put it in quotes because it is still a pleasure, albeit not an easy one); it is enough to extract a part of a film, even 3/4 minutes, and know where it is most appropriate to use music, where not, which part needs to be emphasized, which less, creating contrasts, surprising those who see and listen (always with that balance mentioned above, so as not to distract those watching the film or the extract by capturing too much attention), but not like Americans often do in certain films (personal opinion), with "background" noises used as effects, or entries for a few seconds to scare people, etc.; there is no need for these tricks. The best films are those that do not continuously need the support of music, and the music itself is silenced when it is not necessary; this too is balance. And so far I have spoken, I hope maybe even just once, about doing such a job and proposing it, because then one must move to action, but those who know me know that "the road is long" (but I don't do it on purpose).

One last thing, one of the most interesting aspects of such an "experiment" is this: if you score a part of a film already seen (by you, I mean, as well as by others obviously), you will inevitably be conditioned by the previous listening, and this complicates things quite a bit; the other aspect is scoring a film never seen before, and here the conditioning only applies to those who have already seen it.

The first case is more complex for me, but also the most formative I think (not that the second one isn't, you know, you start from zero, and paradoxically in the first, even if you have already heard the music, in a certain sense it has a "path to follow" because you have perceived the type of impact the music brought to the film; it might seem strange, perhaps, but that is what I think).

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Reply 12 by Yannick

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Videoclip wrote:

To put it briefly, "make them travel in pairs"... especially if you want to reach a decent runtime without supporting images

I must say I am more confused.. I mean, I unconsciously try to direct myself towards a soundtrack (after all, that is my dream), something to accompany with images.. but I agree that like this alone I'm going nowhere.. I should join someone who makes videos to give meaning to my pieces, but unfortunately I don't know anyone.. I will have to commit more to the other direction then..

AleGozzo wrote:

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Very harsh, but direct. Thank you.. the fact is that I am (and feel) like a child on his first day of kindergarten: his first approach to the outside world, his first approach to words and numbers, the first impact with hard reality. The reason why I keep bringing up this "what I have inside" is simply because at the current state I have... nothing else.. I have no kind of drive other than my willpower. If I look at a beautiful photo, I don't get inspiration; if I listen to a composition by Hans Zimmer and try to follow its progression trying to take cues or even copy it, I turn off Cubase after not even half an afternoon spent looking for something decent to develop. This is to say that everything you have heard so far is not the result of study, work, or searching for a theme, or a developable idea. But it is all pure "improvisation," "plinking" on the keyboard until I feel that in 4 bars a melody sounds good and I try it. Then I listen to the whole thing (more than the 4 bars I developed on Cubase), if it fits well and has its own logical thread I proceed, and only then do I realize if it is a developable theme or not: if it is, I touch everything up trying to give meaning to what I am doing.. if instead it makes no sense, I delete everything and start from scratch. It is certainly wrong; it's like wanting to go to war saying "come on, let's put 100 soldiers here and another 100 there and that should be fine, and behind them we line up the tanks." In no field of our lives will we get anywhere reasoning like this, and that is a fact. And this is certainly the reason why I have an absolute musical naivety. Which connects everything else you said. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I understood correctly, however, I ask you.. how can I improve? Is the study of harmonics, tonics, and at least the basics of music theory sufficient?

Piccinesco wrote:

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Perhaps this could be a starting point. Take 3/4 minutes of a film and develop a theme over it to assimilate with the images.

Having said all this guys, I feel truly embarrassed.. like a fish out of water.. maybe it's me who doesn't have the ability to carry something like this forward and I should close the whole thing in the (already full) drawer of failures.. or maybe I am just lost in the middle of the desert and I just need time to find the right path.. I understand that I make you suffer and that I might spout nonsense (perhaps even childish) and I thank you infinitely for the support you are giving me (I'm thanking you as if I had a huge commissioned work to finish -.-)..

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Reply 13 by Frank

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In my opinion, you should take a short film and score it. In the end, if you want to move towards this field, it is fundamental that the soundtrack be associated with the relevant images.

More than once I have happened to hear soundtracks alone, even without having seen the film, and it is evident that the music alone is missing something.

If instead you are practicing to explore atmospheres that you then plan to exploit/combine in the future… you are already aware of this, so I would worry relatively little but would channel these efforts towards a finished product.

In the past, for a composition workshop dedicated to music for images, we used to look specifically for short films; it was suggested

http://silvestriniade.blogspot.it/

http://stucktheblog.blogspot.it/

I don't know if it can be of help to you (or if it is still available) ... but they are all opportunities to gain experience.

http://silvestriniade.blogspot.it/http://stucktheblog.blogspot.it/
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