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Fugue No. 1

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Opening post by Piccinesco

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I would say more of an attempt (one I have already confided to someone).

I know I am risking a lot by letting people listen to this piece, but I am doing it consciously, premising

that I had no small amount of trouble harmonizing the subject while looking for a countersubject that I

liked, and what I have written here is 50/50; in reality, it is not how I had it in mind, and trying to write it

exactly as I thought it and still intend it now, I would have to modify the subject, so what I have in mind is

not feasible if I want to use the subject as it is.

There is background noise in the file; it sounds like a triangle, it is a mode often introduced

in free or trial software to prevent its use as if it had been purchased; however, I decided

to use this organ because the sound quality is more effective compared to others I have.

I absolutely do not claim that it can be liked; on the contrary, I think it will provoke the opposite, just

as it seems "strange" and a bit so-so to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu0aSZdF6BI&feature=youtu.be

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Reply 2 by ttw

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The parts themselves are ear-friendly, it seems to me that it gets a bit caught up in itself in the sense that the fun parts could have given a bit more verve. I am reading Fugue No. 1, if it were a first attempt ...it can happen.

Curiosity: are you being followed by a teacher?

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Reply 3 by Piccinesco

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Yes, I have the same impressions too; this is what "happens to me" when I try to write something following a very precise scheme, or at least I try to,

paradoxically, I perceive the divertimenti with less "ease", because I am a person who finds it difficult to stay within a certain range, whereas while I was writing it

i had moments where I thought about continuing it as I "felt" instead of paying attention and conceiving a piece that is more defined from the standpoint of formal structure; it is a flaw of mine,

haste, ever since I was little, is indeed the first attempt, after having tried, thanks to Frank who gave me some suggestions regarding the theme for the fugue from the 2013 workshop,

on which I had doubts concerning the construction of the countersubject, and on which I stopped after trying to write the exposition before the divertimenti; I have taken up this theme from a few years ago, which I will also try to change into an invention for 2 (maybe 3) voices, so as to use exactly the part of the countersubject (in this case) that I had in mind; I would have greater freedom.

I conceived the divertimento to be short because I was "afraid" of going too far, in the sense of putting too many different ideas on the table and not following a more compact scheme; one of the main problems for me is precisely form—maybe I have ideas, but the problem remains developing them in a consequential way, which rarely happens; at a certain point I always "go astray", which is why I consider it a mini-miracle that I have written, albeit an attempt, even with errors, a fugue.

And I won't say how it was conceived; it's enough to make you pull your hair out, it's not a minor issue.

A master exists, I have known him for almost 4 years, but after one year in which we saw each other at his place 2 or 3 times for about half an hour during which he usually provided me with harmony handouts to do exercises on,

and writing emails to check them, we haven't seen each other for more than a year; unfortunately, he is extremely busy and cannot (rightfully) follow me as well regarding the program

carried out with him; we had reached progressions, I did some preparatory exercises but nothing more; I have reached a point where I do not intend to go forward alone,

perhaps making messes, without having the certainty that I am doing it correctly.

However, we never had a real lesson, like one or two hours with the master explaining things, you do the exercises and he corrects them right there, in person; it would have been much simpler as well as faster, but this is fine too; I am happy to have met a person who knows how to teach first and foremost, and is competent; as for me making mistakes, that's another story, it depends mostly on me, as I tend to often forget the multiple possibilities that exist in the harmonic field (as far as I have reached), and to let haste take over me; Frank knows something about that.

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Reply 4 by Oracolo

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Consolati Picininesco, my first fugue, which wasn't even a fugue, it was an unlistenable mess... I mixed Subject and CS among the voices... not noticing the scheme, I placed them wherever I felt like

Dlet's just say I really like listening to and analyzing fugues (seriously)... those of others ... I prefer expressing myself in other fields

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Reply 5 by geppino12575

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Look, it's not bad, it is a pleasure to listen to; in my opinion, some possible improvements could have gone in this direction: the countersubject should be a bit more contrasting compared to the subject, with longer notes since the subject has short and often repeated figures. Here and there there are rhythmic shifts that are not in style with the general baroque character of the piece; either "modernize" the rest as well or make these syncopations more "baroque". Last consideration: an important subject like this deserved greater development; in the end, it feels as if you were in a hurry to finish, but with a theme like this, you could produce a fugue that could last even twice the current length—not that musical quality is measured in minutes, but in this case, something more imposing could have been created.

Reading your own comment, I feel like saying: forget about the famous scholastic fugue scheme, do what you feel; do the stretches after the exposition if that's what you feel like doing—that scheme is only valid for exams and not even in 100% of cases. Look, this "self-limitation" in your piece is perceptible and the piece as a whole suffers the consequences, becoming a bit of a "I would but I can't"; instead, you can, and you don't have to account to anyone.....

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Reply 6 by Piccinesco

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geppino12575 wrote:

Look, it's not bad, it's a pleasure to listen to; in my opinion, possible improvements could have gone in this direction: the countersubject should be a bit more contrasting compared to the subject, with longer notes since the subject has short and often repeated figures.

Here and there there are rhythmic shifts that are not in style with the general baroque character of the piece; either "modernize" the rest as well or make these syncopations "baroque flourishes."

Last consideration: an important subject like this deserved greater development; in the end, it feels as if you were in a hurry to finish, but with a theme like this, you could produce a large fugue that could last even twice the current time—not that musical quality is measured in minutes, but in this case, something more imposing could have been created.

Reading your own comment, I feel like saying: forget about the famous scholastic fugue scheme, do what you feel, do the stretches after the exposition if that's how you feel like doing it; that scheme is only valid for exams and even then not in 100% of cases. Look, this "self-limitation" in your piece is perceptible and the piece as a whole suffers the consequences, becoming a bit of an "I would like to but I can't," whereas you can and you don't have to answer to anyone.....

The repeated notes are particularly pleasing to me; anyway, the fact that they are here is purely accidental. I had been thinking of this theme for a long time and couldn't decide to do something with it. Regarding the countersubject, I worked on it in the way I explained, with some problems because I am conditioned by what I have in mind but it doesn't fit rhythmically and harmonically with the subject; so I modified some points of the countersubject and went ahead anyway.

At certain points, you can hear too much that some notes are being "stopped" too early; instead, if they lasted longer, the discourse would be a bit more fluid.

This is a further problem; Frank and other people have also pointed out to me several times (regarding what I write) that I do not write correctly in baroque style,

and as you say, to do it I must be convincing or take another path, and precisely because of the desire to adhere to an idea of baroque style, I don't feel like taking [that path]; my "fear" is going too far outside the patterns (but without awareness, that is the problem, I will explain why later).

On this, I agree; I also have the feeling (confirmed also by the person who commented on it first) that the episodes could have been written better, and since the subject is 4 bars long (we are in 12/8) it could have had greater development. Regarding this particular point, I paid less attention precisely to the balance of the duration of the subject, episodes, stretches, and finale; I wrote it thinking of it in parts, but always imagining how it might turn out, and playing it in 4 parts to hear how it came across. The problem is that I play the parts quite softly (it's not that I am very good at playing, quite the opposite, and then I wrote it with old clefs, also to train the eye to immediately identify the exact note for each clef), then hearing it at the speed I imagined it could go, I realized it was too much, so that is another important point to check.

The hurry to finish, unfortunately (I can't shake off this sword of Damocles), is something I have in everything I do; in fact, here I prepared everything in a few days and not in a rush as I often do. I started it, then I stopped, then I resumed, but one thing I really cannot do is stay focused on one thing; often my head is somewhere else. It's not an excuse, it's the truth; that's why the pieces sometimes seem almost "unfinished" or end too abruptly.

I give you credit partly and partly not, because you know what you are talking about, you have a certain preparation; I do not. I cannot afford to expand in this way when approaching composition. Years ago, I thought 100% like this (and I only put this into practice in electronic music, where I do 100% what I want, but always with a certain attention to instrument writing, I don't just go randomly, so to speak), then I had a real crisis of conscience. When I write now, I am "in a bain-marie" as they say: I start with a certain program, a certain criterion, then often I set off and go astray, and there the piece is ruined or doesn't turn out as it could. The same thing happens with two-voice inventions; there is always something that doesn't add up, but it's because I am the one not finding the best solution, and practically always (out of necessity, but this "necessity"—I think in my case it clashes with a lack of full awareness of what is possible to do, and that's true since I am still behind)—the piece has correct and effective solutions, but at the same time others that are not good, which I include anyway because I feel the need to, as if to counteract a certain"}

regularity, however I feel a sensation of indeterminacy and lack of compactness every time, even on short pieces.

First I was talking about awareness, to let you understand, I am still debating some harmonic solutions, such as for example a melodic line that presents augmented 2nds without resolution in an invention, and I went to check some works by Bach to get confirmation or not; I found what I was looking for, namely that I could write a certain passage exactly as I had done initially, but the doubt remains as to why I don't have this certainty, and from there everything that follows follows in turn; in more complex parts it is as if I do not trust myself to use passages that honestly I cannot explain harmonically, do you understand what the point is? I start from the assumption that even if a passage pleases me, how do I explain it to someone if they ask me why I made this choice, besides the instinctive taste of the moment?

But even to myself, how do I explain it, in music there are many cases where exceptions occur, finding myself precisely between a style that somewhat reminds one of the baroque and somewhat being outside of it; I cannot find the right way to concretize everything, and I risk getting lost, this is one of the reasons why in recent months I have been more attentive to what I write, but not 100%, too much insecurity.

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Reply 7 by geppino12575

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We have known each other for a long time and I remember your electronic music tracks quite well, which is why I take the liberty of giving you this advice even in a different field: throw yourself into it more, you have the potential to do so, you are too critical of yourself, do not limit yourself for fear of not being able to explain something to someone, you don't have to explain anything to anyone, you must let the music speak for itself, seek the "beautiful" not the "correct," it is not an exam, seek your own "beautiful." You speak of the "risk of losing myself," but sometimes getting lost is an opportunity, not a risk.

"So among these immensities my thought drowns: and shipwreck is sweet to me in this sea".....

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Reply 8 by Thesimon

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geppino12575 wrote:

We have known each other for a long time and I remember your electronic music tracks quite well, which is why I take the liberty of giving you this advice even in a different field: throw yourself in more, you have the possibilities to do so, you are too critical of yourself, do not limit yourself for fear of not being able to explain something to someone, you don't have to explain anything to anyone, you must let the music speak for itself, seek the "beautiful" and not the "correct," it is not an exam, seek your own "beautiful." You talk about the "risk of losing myself," but sometimes getting lost is an opportunity, not a risk.

"So among these immensities my thought drowns: and shipwreck is sweet to me in this sea".....

I fully quote Geppino... I have also known you for only a short time, but that little was enough for me to understand that you overthink things too much. Throw yourself in and allow yourself to make mistakes. Follow your instincts.

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Reply 9 by Piccinesco

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I often follow them, but (that is not why I changed my approach; that happened after I started studying) I must learn to reconcile both things,

usually I try to bend (the little that I know) "technique" to my liking, but it is complicated, yet I like this.

Thank you for the encouragement; at the beginning, the first time we met, my teacher said this to me: "I will find you at a certain point in a condition where you will have to decide what to do,
or you will remain at the "level" you have reached, settling for it, or you will have to overcome further difficulties and move forward", now I find myself a bit more beyond the middle ground, but I have remained

in limbo regarding study (which alone is better not to continue because I make a complete mess of it), anyway I continue to do some exercises and send them to him, so as not to lose

the "average" and not let too much time pass.

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