Half tail?

While the size is sufficient, one should be able to choose the right angle/wall far from windows and radiators. Then obviously there are various subtleties in positioning, but these two are the basic ones (unresolvable acoustic problems generally occur when ceilings are particularly low).

The point that I seem to have understood is problematic... the heating is underfloor. Very low temperature for goodness sake because the room is optimally insulated and has its own thermostat, so the heating is off or very low almost always... but I understood that as a type of heating it is a problem.

The room has two glass walls (8 m and 5 m) and the piano would practically be in the opposite corner, therefore in the point furthest possible from the windows. The ceilings are 3 meters.

Thank you very much

with the room you have, it is certainly worth it...

far more than half a tail could fit in an 8 x 5 m venue (economic considerations aside)

a more targeted advice could be formulated by actually seeing the floor plan of your venue in which are indicated

1 - the access doors

2 - the other furnishings it must accommodate.

Anyway, even without knowing these things, if you have decided to place the piano in the corner opposite to where the walls meet towards the outside, I would orient it so that, sitting at the keyboard, the 8 m wall is behind me.

In this way, the lid of the piano opens towards the room and not towards the 5 m wall

(attention! I am assuming that the room is rectangular... It's rectangular, right?)

YES, the positioning I had in mind was on the opposite side of the windows; basically, the two external walls are almost entirely glass overlooking a terrace.

Here you will find a very, very schematic drawing (I would say it's terrible) but which gives an idea of the situation http://1drv.ms/1nn0K1w

very schematic but good drawing: clear and essential.

Given the position of the fixed furniture (in gray) located between the two large windows on the 8 m side, the actual perceived environment is not a 5x8 room but, by eye, 5x5. It is nonetheless a respectable room, but I take back what I wrote about it being able to accommodate much more than one baby grand.

In any case, I advise you to place the piano in the bottom left corner with the pianist's back to the window on the 5 m side.

In the position you indicated, there are these inconveniences:

1 - playing the piano with a passage behind you from which people come from other rooms is, in my opinion, unsettling. Playing an instrument is an activity that requires a certain "intimacy" with the instrument, the music, and oneself. Perhaps you live alone, but I must evaluate all situations (sometimes there are guests, parties, gatherings, movement...)

2 - the proximity of the piano to the fixed furniture: it creates a narrow passage (between the tail of the piano and the side of the furniture)... an impractical solution.

3 - such proximity also creates a restricted view towards the large window and the room in general (with the lid open, it's even worse)... a very unesthetic solution.

The position/orientation that I suggest instead offers you:

1 - "intimacy" for the pianist, for the reasons mentioned above.

2 - abundant natural light coming from behind and to your right

3 - the lid opens the sound towards the center of the room

4 - while playing, your eye can wander outside through the large window (if the difficulty of the piece allows it)

Finally, let me tell you one thing: in your hall, from what I see, there are no windows but glass walls; it is quite different and... good for you!

Don't worry about keeping the piano near a glass wall. The rule of keeping it away from a window applies when there is a radiator under the window (not your case), and when the window has glass from past centuries: thickness like that of a lightbulb and zero thermal insulation (not your case).

In your home in Stans, you will certainly have latest-generation glass walls cat. A++ from a climatic/acoustic performance standpoint (double-glazed, layered, argon gas filled, etc..)

And imagine!.. in one of the most building-tech nations in Europe....

Just a note that I misspoke, the fixed piece of furniture is actually a bench, a sort of large counter 1.20m high, so it doesn't divide the room but just makes the space unavailable to place something else.

I don't know the acoustic details of the house, but climatically speaking, the glass walls are definitely large and airtight. The idea of the positioning was mainly due to:

- the pleasure of being able to see out through the two large windows at a glance while playing

- the standard rule of not having the piano directly under a window

The problem of the narrow passage is actually avoidable; the scale of my drawing is not good and, as mentioned, the furniture is a bench, so it doesn't close off the room.

The position you suggested is good... now there is also the matter of understanding what piano length to go for..... and after verifying that there is something interesting there, that will be step two...

LucaCavaliere wrote:

a very schematic but good drawing: clear and essential.

Given the position of the fixed furniture (in gray) located between the two large windows on the 8m side, the actual perceived environment is not a 5x8 room but, by eye, 5x5. It is still a respectable room, but I take back what I wrote about it being able to accommodate much more than one grand piano.

In any case, I recommend placing the piano in the bottom left corner with the pianist facing away from the window on the 5m side.

In the position you indicated, there are these inconveniences:

1 - playing the piano having a doorway behind you from which people come from other rooms is, in my opinion, unsettling. Playing an instrument is an activity that requires a certain "intimacy" with the instrument, the music, and oneself. Perhaps you live alone, but I must consider all situations (sometimes there are guests, parties, gatherings, movement...)

2 - the proximity of the piano to the fixed furniture: it creates a narrow passage (between the tail of the piano and the side of the furniture)... an impractical solution.

3 - such proximity also creates a narrow view towards the large window and the room in general (with the lid open, it's even worse)... a very unesthetic solution.

The position/orientation that I suggest to you instead offers:

1 - "intimacy" for the pianist, for the reasons mentioned above.

2 - abundant natural light coming from behind and to your right

3 - the lid opens the sound towards the center of the room

4 - while playing, your eyes can wander outside through the large window (if the difficulty of the piece allows it)

Finally, let me tell you one thing: in your room, from what I can see, there are no windows but glass walls; it is quite different and... good for you!

Don't worry about keeping the piano near a glass wall. The rule of keeping it away from a window applies when there is a radiator under the window (not your case), and when the window has glass from past centuries: as thin as a lightbulb and zero thermal insulation (not your case).

In your home in Stans, you will certainly have latest-generation A++ windows from a climatic/acoustic performance standpoint (double-glazed, laminated, argon gas filled, etc..)

And imagine!.. in one of the most advanced building-tech nations in Europe....

lux79ita wrote:

The position you suggested is good... now we also have to figure out what piano length to go with.....

i imagine that for the decision you will move between a baby grand and a three-quarter.

When you do the math (I'm talking about cm, not CHF) also take into account a good 90 cm between the keyboard edge and the glass wall behind the pianist's shoulders.

If it were a table with chairs, 70 cm between the table and the wall would be enough (50 cm for the seated diner + 20 cm for the diner moving away without having to make the person next to them stand up).

However, at the piano you don't sit like at a table: with your legs underneath.

A lot of people also like to sit quite far from the keyboard.

Yes,

let's just say that the final choice also depends on what offers are available around (in CHF), but let's say that if three-quarters of it wasn't right, even if found in good condition, it wasn't right.

As for the choice, the point is deciding which direction to take.

I was leaning towards used to have a decent cost/quality ratio.

Theoretically, I can look in northern Italy, Switzerland, or southern Germany (transport distances vary but not by much). Having moved recently and not being certain that I can always have a technician with me for the evaluation, I was thinking of going through a shop that allows me to rent-to-own; that way I can keep it for about a year, have it tuned twice by two different technicians, and thus gather both the technicians' impressions and my own, and then buy it out later if there are no problems...

So, the mix of space/market will define the object of desire..

In theory the rental idea is excellent, but know that at least in central Italy, dealers apply this good formula only to so-called entry-level pianos; so if nothing has changed in the last two years, I am afraid you will have to exclude this beautiful country for rentals!

Thanks.. in Switzerland I can rent with option to purchase even Steinway, Yamaha C3, Yamaha C5, Bosendorfer... technically they rent practically anything... I wanted to take both Italy and Switzerland into consideration but renting was a way to avoid having to travel with a technician constantly following me... also because maybe the pianos are scattered across Italy and I have only recently moved to Switzerland and wouldn't know who to rely on yet