Handel Passacaglia in G Minor for piano, what is the best edition?

You won't like the answer, one of the ways to establish if it is "better" ... is precisely the absence of annotated fingering

perhaps it makes sense for someone who is at an intermediate-advanced level and already has considerable experience with fingerings and knows how to play a respectable number of classical pieces, say, at least thirty; in my case, it is not like that

From my point of view, it always makes sense .... even at 10 years old, to understand what needs to be done, try to finger the notes, propose it to the teacher, verify the fingering, and learn from the corrections.

pianistamaggiorenneDi38 wrote:

at the moment I am using the 'out of print' version downloaded for free from imlsp.org, it doesn't seem bad to me, but does anyone know of any better editions with more annotated fingering etc.?

More fingering than that? No, come on, it's fine as it is: there are only 5 fingers for each hand... those that aren't written can be guessed!

(Naturally I am referring to the second file, the one identified as VI. Passacaille Unidentified collection, Plate 9857).

Chopin wrote:

From my point of view, it always makes sense .... even at 10 years old, to understand what needs to be done, try fingering, propose it to the teacher, verify the fingering, and learn from the corrections.

dear friend, if only I were 10 years old..... that is exactly my point. Then yes, I would invent my own fingerings. There is no use reinventing the wheel; it has already been invented, so why waste time inventing your own if there is one available, tested and proven by someone else.

Anyway, with this I don't mean at all that I never try my own alternative solutions, but I don't do it on a piece like this one

... by mistake

mmmhmm

In reality, it's not a matter of reinventing the wheel; there is no universal fingering, let alone a single interpretation. Fingering is at the service of the performer's hand and mind.

I have never seen 2 pianists use the same fingering for an entire piece ... this is what I think Chopin meant: you should find your own fingering based on what you want to convey from the piece.

Sure, without guidance... the problem exists and generally there are outrageous educational editions with proposals from revisers... it's a shame that the ones going around have not even a minimum of musicological knowledge... you will only find rubbish...

... by mistake

Carlos wrote:

More fingering than that? No, come on, it's fine like this: there are only 5 fingers for each hand... those that aren't written can be guessed!

(Naturally, I am referring to the second file, the one identified as VI. Passacaille Unidentified collection, Plate 9857).

si, in fact I actually have that one; indeed it seems to me to have accurate instructions, but I am looking for one with fingering on every note, throughout the whole piece, acc, is it possible that nobody has thought of it?

joking aside, I just wanted the opinion of someone who knows more, so now I feel at ease

As for guessing....um....I hate riddles. As that Queen song says, 'I want it all, and I want it now'

Partly because I've already made many mistakes and wasted a lot of time.....in fact until a few years ago, I did everything by myself, but now I am quite the opposite.

Of course, in reality I'm always guessing....just today I tinkered with Chopin's Mazurka in F major op 68 no. 3, damn, it's quite difficult to decide on the fingering

Marta23 wrote:

mmmhmm

in reality it is not a matter of reinventing the wheel, there is no universal fingering and even less so a single interpretation. Fingering is at the service of the performer's hand and head.

I have never seen 2 pianists use the same fingering for an entire piece ... this is what I think Chopin meant, you should find your own fingering based on what you want to convey from the piece.

Sure, without guidance... the problem exists and in general there are shameful educational editions, with proposals from revisers... it's a pity that the ones going around don't have even a minimum of musicological knowledge... you will only find rubbish...

yes, I know what you mean about the fact that there are no universal fingerings..... but what I am trying to do is not to find my own fingerings, but to learn as many fingerings as possible, and I am trying to do this through two things: one, learning etudes instead of pieces; in practice, I prefer learning 7 shorter etudes than one longer piece. Different keys, fingerings, styles, etc.

But this Handel piece has ignited the fire of my passion for a couple of years now.

anyway thanks to everyone for your opinions, all always interesting.

pianistamaggiorenneDi38 wrote:

As for guessing....um....I hate riddles. As that Queen song says, 'I want it all, and I want it now'

A jokes aside, that version is indeed sufficiently fingered; the missing fingers are truly (almost) obvious, you shouldn't have any problems. Good luck and have fun.

thank you

try to indicate a measure in which you do not find good fingering and we can find solutions together

ok maestrosfredda, thank you for the help