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As far as harmony is concerned, on the tonic pedal between 191 and 192, I do not fully understand the last chord of measure 191.
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...continuing the analysis...
As far as harmony is concerned, on the tonic pedal between 191 and 192, I do not fully understand the last chord of measure 191.
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Are you talking about the first movement? If so:
- 191: I VII5dim VII/IV
- 192 IV VII5dim (?) V
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Si Abate, of the first movement
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I agree with Abate, although it is difficult to truly establish the second harmony of measure 192
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Thanks to both of you, are there texts dedicated to the analysis of Haydn's symphonies... I don't mean all of them, but at least the last ones?
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Arzigovolato3 wrote:Thanks to both of you, are there texts dedicated to the analysis of Haydn's symphonies... I don't mean all of them, but at least the last ones?
Della Croce Luigi
Haydn's 107 Symphonies
Eda 1987
http://www.giannischicchi.com/product_info.php?products_id=2165
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If there are no problems with English: Haydn, the "Paris" Symphonies Di Bernard Harrison, Cambridge University Press; there is a preview on Google books
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... e con questo avrai un bel po' da studiare ๐
Haydn's Symphonic Forms: Essays in Compositional Logic- Ethan Haimo:
"Haydn never discussed his compositional ideas in much detail, either in the interviews he gave to an early biographer or in his surviving correspondence. Moreover, relatively few sketches of his compositions have been preserved. Therefore, attempts to reconstruct Haydn's compositionalthought, and in particular his formal logic, must rely on evidence drawn from close analyses of the works themselves. Using his symphonies as its subject, this book attempts to clarify what Haydn's
fundamental principles of formal logic might have been. It shows how Haydn employed those basiccompositional principles to structure his forms, providing explanations that account for specific details of individual movements as well as the relationships between the movements. Beyond what they show about Haydn's formal thought and the individual works discussed, the analyses in this book alsohave a larger purpose: to argue in support of the idea that compositions cannot be analysed in a meaningful manner if the analysis is divorced from the work's historical context."
http://books.google.it/books/about/Haydn_s_Symphonic_Forms.html?id=v3o8521VIrgC&redir_esc=y
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Gerardo wrote:
Nice text, but even though all the symphonies are covered, the levels of analysis are truly summary... above all, there is also surrounding historical information
I suggest a somewhat dated but effective text:
H.C.Robbins Landon-The Symphonies of Joseph Haydn-Universal Edition
The symphony, which is the subject of the topic, can be found in the section: "The twelve Salomon symphonies (nos.93-104) an analysis"
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Frank wrote:Cute text, but even though all the symphonies are covered, the levels of analysis are really summary... above all, there is also historical background information
There's a little something there, perhaps the description of the elements is a bit too "poetic" and "pictorial". Indeed, Della Croce's text cites Robbins Landon
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Thank youuuuuuuuu!!!
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Printing error?
First page, penultimate measure.
Vc and cb play G but viola and bassoon play Gb
It seems strange to me
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Arzigovolato3 wrote:Printing error?
http://erato.uvt.nl/...Full_Score_.pdf
First page, penultimate bar.
Vc and cb play G but viola and bassoon play Gb
It seems strange to me
In my opinion it is a printing error, I would say Gb ...which pairs with the E natural
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I looked at a reduction, always available on IMSLP... it really seems like it's a solution