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Instrumentation and musical staves

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During a workshop on fugue, a question emerged regarding whether or not to use a dedicated staff for the organ pedal. Several considerations can be made on the subject; my point of view is as follows.

I was writing in the workshop topic:

For example, a staff dedicated to the pedal is not mandatory but advisable (even in an orchestra) in cases where it provides clarity in reading the part. Furthermore, you can make indications regarding the stops more explicit.

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when you can can you explain this better to me

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Reply 2 by Frank

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As always, there are both historical reasons mixed with technical issues, notation, and the intelligibility of the score, but in this specific case, also organological ones.

On one hand, the organ, and in particular the pedalboard (its range and its independence), has undergone different evolutions over time; on the other hand, compositions, and consequently notation, have sought over time to better leverage this evolution.

Writing for an organ with an octave of pedals that generally sounds with the manual coupling, this staff is not strictly necessary. There will be few notes, in a single octave, and without difference in color (registrations) compared to the manuals.

In the case, however, where one has at their disposal an organ with an extended pedalboard, many registrations (including 4' stops), apart from the possibility or not of using a wide range, there is the possibility of suggesting the most appropriate registrations within the economy of the piece itself.

This is said succinctly and generally, but in the topic I was referring to the orchestra; however, the same argument can apply to the choir, the band, and some percussion instruments also come to mind. In this regard, the vibraphone is generally written on a single staff, but if the writing is very complex, it is suggested to use two. The same applies to the band; for example, one usually uses a single staff for trumpet 1 and another staff for trumpets 2 and 3. In very contrapuntally dense writing, reading the staff for trumpets 2 and 3 could become difficult, so the composer may consider using 3 separate staves for the 3 trumpets. This can happen with the orchestra, or with the choir (if you have very large divisi, perhaps it is worth adding more staves at certain points to provide clarity).

It just so happens that in this discussion one can also include the issue of soloists: dedicated staff or not? The answer is always 'it depends'.

With these premises, returning to the organ, one could write a piece where the pedal does not have a significant part for organological reasons (absence of a pedalboard, pedalboard with few notes and non-independent) or by choice. Bach himself (but also Mendelssohn and many others) wrote for solo manuals despite having organs at hand that would allow him to do anything. Therefore, a staff might not be necessary; however, understand that if the piece were serial, the only 5 notes played by the pedals are structural, and every time you want a different color from the parts given to the manuals, that is when the staff might still become necessary—even though at a note-reading level it wouldn't be needed, it would precisely be the organistic orchestration that dictates it.

In short, no real rule exists; there is, on one hand, the creative work of the composer and, on the other, the need to put the performer in the best possible conditions. A complex work must nonetheless result in being intelligible.

I often read: 'I wrote it this way because it's convenient for me.'

No, No.

Writing a score serves to communicate one's thoughts to the performers who must realize it; therefore, those who must be 'convenient' or rather, put in a position to fully understand your thought, are them. Thus, there is no question of one's own convenience. Unless the score is a sketch, intended for oneself or destined to stay in a drawer forever, the argument does not hold.

And just to return to the LAB, posting the score in a forum already means, for me, being 'out of the drawer'.

This is what came to mind, and I have tried to write it in a haphazard way; what do you think about this issue?

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Reply 3 by CromaDiBrera

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As far as I am concerned, in the lab I omitted writing the pedal precisely because it followed the first case, that is, not only not intervening in the interplay of voices, but also not changing the inversions of the harmony. Bach himself did not use to write the pedal in some cases, but in others yes: in his Three-part Sonatas, for example, the writing of the pedal is obvious because it constitutes one of the three voices. The matter seems quite intuitive to me.

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Reply 4 by Organista94

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Nice topic. I have already read everything and

CromaDiBrera wrote:

ma anche di non mutare i rivolti dell'armonia

This depends on the notes and the stops; if the pedal has an 8' foot, you are practically using real notes. If obviously you give a 16' foot to the pedal, then you go an octave lower and it is understandable.

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Reply 5 by Bianca

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Frank wrote:

This is done succinctly and generally, but in the topic I was referring to the orchestra, but the same argument can apply to the choir, the band, and some percussion instruments also come to mind. In this regard, the vibraphone is generally written on a single staff, but if the writing is very

so I had misunderstood, is it not that in some orchestral or choral scores there is a staff for the pedal (since I have never seen it)?

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Reply 7 by Bianca

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Frank wrote:

Of course there is

Finding something truly new is becoming increasingly difficult nowadays

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/2303-js-bach-passacaglia-and-fugue-in-c-minor-bwv-582

If you need the score, just give me a whistle

as wait, maybe I missed something because of the rush ... but where is the pedal line in the orchestration?

I have the score for organ, but not the orchestrated one. Is it in the one that has the pedal line?

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Reply 8 by Frank

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In the indicated topic I posted the instrumentation used by Respighi, anyway, along with an excerpt of the score so that my post will be clearer to you

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Reply 9 by Bianca

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Frank wrote:

In the indicated topic, I posted the instrumentation used by Respighi; anyway, as a side note, an excerpt of the score so that my post will be clearer to you

ok, thanks Frank.

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