Invention A 2 Voices No. 1 ( This is By J.s.bach )

No sorry, for embellishments only a few things work:

- CPE Bach

- The first page of Urtext editions

The rest is garbage

I doubt that in Carl Czerny's time there was a certain type of sensitivity

ttw wrote:

No excuse, for embellishments there are few things:

- CPE Bach

- The first page of Urtext editions

Thank you, I will take it into account.

Slowtempo wrote:

Anyway, I give up... I did a little research among the various editions. There are even editions that have fully developed the ornaments so as to leave nothing to chance.

Nothing to chance?

Great report TTW, CPE Bach wrote the “Treatise on the True Manner of Playing Keyboard Instruments” (Berlin, 1753) where he illustrates the methods for performing ornaments and advice for solving interpretation problems in instrumental pieces.

To approach JS Bach, it is fundamental to choose "good" editions; some report only what Bach wrote (see Henle), others use a double notation highlighting in small print the ornaments added, for example, by Bach's sons (Peters Editions), others provide "too much choice" (there is an embarrassment of riches).

I am deliberately taking this discussion to the extreme: some treatises even claim that playing ornaments is almost useless because on the modern piano their function ceases; since there is dynamics, it is the privileged instrument for making the contrast between voices stand out. Everyone knows what function ornaments had, right?

Anyway, apart from CPE Bach, there are other historical treatises that are very interesting but at the same time add fuel to the fire, and the risk is going crazy.

Ultimately, JS Bach (like other composers) has already left his tables of ornaments, and if one is truly interested—aside from the first volume of CPE Bach's treatise (the second volume dealing with Basso Continuo is also very interesting)—to "torture" oneself with the different keys to reading Bach's ornaments, you could take a look at the treatises by Türk, Telemann, and Mattheson; and if you finally really want to massacre yourself, then there is also that of the musicologist Hans Klotz.

Hi Frank, thanks for the reply. Far from me to "hurt myself" with various treatises, as it is enough for me to understand two things:

1) I possess an edition that certainly ranks among the bad ones;

2) one must always analyze with a critical spirit also (and perhaps especially) the annotations of the editors in which they express certainties without providing a shred of supporting argument ("It is certainly a writing inaccuracy". B. Mugellini).