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Inverted Mordent

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Good morning!

I was wondering if I was the only one to have come across chords with three or four notes with a reversed mordent; I was wondering if it is even humanly possible to play them. The execution speed is around 180 bpm. The question comes to me spontaneously after hearing how they should sound thanks to a music notation program.

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Reply 2 by pianoexpert

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Any ornamentation is written with regard to the tempo of execution. I do not know which score is in question. However, know that Bach never wrote the tempo for many of his compositions, because it must be deduced from the possible execution of the ornamentations. So it is all a matter of seeing, regarding the speed of execution. The problem must be solved musically and, where necessary, simplified. Please post the score of the passage in question, if you wish.

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Reply 3 by Jack2000

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Thank you for replying to me!

i hope that, with the following attachments, it has been clearer. I have highlighted the measures in question!

Obviously, the audio track is the combination of the chords played at what would be the performance speed. Personally, I have only started practicing the first seven mordents, skipping the subsequent sporadic ones as I find them truly unthinkable, but I am very curious about your more expert opinion.

Thank you again!!

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Reply 5 by pianoexpert

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One should know if it is a transcription. In this case, it can be simplified. It doesn't seem like original music based on the style of writing. The mordents are not essential for performance. If you really want to perform them, and assuming it is a transcription, the octave can be eliminated. Another solution: arpeggiate the chords (fingers 124) with a mordent at the end using fingers 4-5. I wouldn't make a big deal out of it. Which piece is it?

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Reply 6 by Jack2000

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No, I really think it's a transcription of Pirates of the Caribbean. By "eliminating the octave," does he mean performing the mordent on a three-note chord? Regarding the second option, does he mean performing a mordent with fingers 3-4 since they are all inverted mordents; the alternative could be a 4-5 playing the 1-2-5 chord, but I'm afraid it might result in a mordent that is too weak with the fourth finger.

Thanks for the answer

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Reply 7 by pianoexpert

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But yes!!!! Remove the octave! Transcriptions are not gospel. They can be modified and sometimes those who make them do not think about pianistic difficulties. Just one indication: "There is the mordent"...... I remember a transcription of the accompaniment of the famous romance "voi che sapete" from Mozart's Marriage of Figaro that was truly difficult and not very pianistic. It is common to simplify it, even in concert

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Reply 8 by Jack2000

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Well, I replaced the inverted mordents with simple arpeggios, deducing that it remains impossible to perform mordents on chords at high speeds. Thank you for your courtesy and availability in responding to me

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