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Kawai Ca93

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Opening post by Francesco

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Hi everyone...

As I had already mentioned to you, I ordered (more than a month ago now) a Kawai digital piano, the Ca93 (technical specifications from the kawai.it website: http://www.furcht.it/kwca93.htm ).

I had gone to try it before ordering, but seeing it enter the house, and above all hearing it again and playing it, was a surprise. ๐Ÿ™‚

I am very happy, but I won't comment much, for long reasons that I won't start explaining now...

In the meantime, I am attaching two recordings of the sound of this ca93... The first is easier to listen to than the second, which is more of a test to show the duration of the sound, the sympathetic string resonance (!), the simulation of the absence of treble dampers... the third... don't say anything. ๐Ÿ˜›

Tell me what you think. Personally, I am very satisfied; it has characteristics that are rarely found on a digital piano.

https://rapidshare.com/files/227602908/003Sound1.MP3

https://rapidshare.com/files/3676185981/004Sound2.MP3

https://rapidshare.com/files/2887789633/002Moonlight.MP3

I will make a video soon...

Bye!

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Reply 8 by gentleman

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Hello

Francesco, congratulations on your wonderful purchase!

What are the differences between the CA63, CA93, and CS9? Are they just effects and functions, or are there also differences in keyboard and touch?

I finished my fifth year last year and with university I will have to play without bothering those hysterical tenants downstairs.

I am looking for an excellent keyboard and an excellent piano sound; everything else is superfluous, which is why I wonder: is the price difference worth it?

I had also heard very good things about the Kawai MP10, but is a stage piano suitable for daily practice at full volume?

Finally: Is the Kawai RM3 keyboard the best (meaning the tougher it is, the more I like it)? Are there alternatives that are even closer to a real piano?

Thank you for your precious advice

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Reply 9 by Thesimon

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I doubt Francesco will answer you because I believe it has been at least 6 months since he last posted a message... I hope he is well.

I don't know CS9.

Both CAs are excellent. Compared to the 63, the 93 has a soundboard and double escapement. Both feature RM3.

Excellent digital pianos... You have made good choices.

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Reply 10 by scelsi

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Good morning,

I am joining this topic because I have to decide on the purchase of a digital piano (due to condo rules etc. etc...).

I have tried the Clavinova CLP 440 - 470. I have also tried some Kawais... I have heard good things about the CA93, which is indeed the subject of this topic... but I cannot decide... I am interested in a mechanism that is as realistic as possible, and a dynamic-timbral response that is also acceptable... as for the sound, well... I'll settle...

What can you tell me about these instruments?

yamaha clavinova clp 440 - 470 (they aren't bad... but the Clavinova touch has never fully satisfied me...)

yamaha modus f01 (I saw a discounted offer... is it just aesthetics or is there substance too?)

kawai ca93 (I haven't tried this one... but I have tried other Kawais and the touch... as a keyboard, it's not bad at all!!! what do you think?)

thanks!

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Reply 11 by Thesimon

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Never had the chance to try the Modus, I've never seen it in any shop. Compared to Clavinovas, for me it's Kawai all the way life long...

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Reply 12 by scelsi

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TheSimon wrote:

I've never had the chance to try the Modus, I've never seen it in any shop. Compared to Clavinovas, for me it's Kawai for life...

thanks! in fact that's what I think too! although at their prices the Kawais don't seem like a joke... very hard to decide! I'll let you know if I manage to try the Modus...

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Reply 13 by Thesimon

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I understand, but since you are proposing the Modus which costs 5000 euros, I thought you wouldn't have a problem spending 3000 on a Kawai.

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Reply 14 by scelsi

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TheSimon wrote:

I understand, but since you are proposing the Modus which costs 5000 euros, I thought you wouldn't have a problem spending 3000 on a Kawai.

well, as I said, it would be an offer! The Modus is heavily discounted ex-demo (which I haven't tried though...)... so they would practically be at the same price...

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Reply 15 by Thesimon

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Ahhhhhh it's an Ex-Demo... Try it and let me know how the modus sounds. I am very curious. But you must also try the Kawai, otherwise it's not worth it.

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Reply 16 by scelsi

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yeah yeah... the budget is around two thousand five hundred anyway, no more. honestly for a digital piano spending more doesn't seem "sensible" to me... but in an apartment, as a battle instrument... so for studying... it should be fine if I find one with a realistic keyboard...

I'll try to test them and then let you know!

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Reply 17 by Thesimon

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As far as I know, a Yamaha model should have been released with the real grand piano action, complete with hammers. The price ranges from 6000 euros to 11000. For a digital piano with a grand piano action, I would spend 6000 euros, precisely because it is a practice instrument on which I will have to spend much more time compared to the acoustic performance instrument.

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Reply 18 by scelsi

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TheSimon wrote:

As far as I know, a Yamaha model should have been released with the real grand piano action, complete with hammers. The price ranges from 6000 euros to 11000 euros. For a digital piano with a grand piano action, I would spend 6000 euros, precisely because it is a practice instrument on which I will have to spend much more time compared to an acoustic performance instrument.

si well... there will surely also be a target for this type of budget for a digital piano... but... anyway, there would be many considerations...

have you ever tried the Kawai CS6? how do you find it compared to the CA93? in terms of price they are similar...

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Reply 19 by scelsi

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today I tried a few... and I am reporting my personal impressions (I emphasize that they are personal impressions, as in the end a judgment on a piano cannot be otherwise... even if within certain limits).

i tried the:

yamaha modus F01

for me this is a piano that is all aesthetics and little substance, if we consider the quality/price ratio. in my particular case I immediately excluded it because I tried an ex-demo that had been heavily used and also presented some imperfections in the keyboard...

yamaha CLP 470

a beautiful piano. excellent sensations (not found, however, on the other models, the CLP 430 and CLP 440!!!) when playing it. the keyboard is quite realistic, as are the sounds. also quite valid are those of the harpsichord and organ. a very robust and reliable instrument.

kawai CS6

a piano that has an attractive external cabinet, with a high-gloss black finish typical of "real" pianos. the price is rather high for this reason and therefore I excluded it immediately. for the rest, it has features very similar to the CA63... to the point that I would say they are the same instrument with a different external cabinet.

kawai ca63

the CA63 and CA93 are the "old" models. the new ones are the CA65 and CA95. for this reason, although I tried them a bit, I leaned more towards the CA65 and the CA95

kawai CA65 and CA95

they have the same keyboard and mechanism. they differ practically only in the fact that the 95 has a soundboard. a word on the mechanism, the Grand Feel (GF) action with Let-Off and Triple Sensor, a direct descendant and evolution of the RM3 Grand. playing it gives excellent sensations, very realistic. I would say better than the one mounted on the yamaha clp470. although: it is certainly not the mechanism of a real piano. the escapement it uses leaves me a bit perplexed: in practice it is a plastic-rubber "tab" against which a lever "hits"... it seems a bit like nonsense to me honestly... it is a pure illusion without function. honestly I don't understand its utility... not even at the touch. another doubt this mechanism gives me is its reliability! that is, the fact that over time and with use it might need maintenance... whereas the mechanisms mounted on the yamaha clp470 are practically "springs"... in short, no maintenance or wear...

so ok... yes... excellent mechanism... perhaps when playing Liszt one prefers it to the one mounted on the yamaha clp470... but in other less "transcendental" situations I honestly doubt there is a real advantage. especially considering the sound...

the sound: the yamaha clp470 sounds better. there is no debate. the bass is a bit... muddy on the kawai. and the soundboard mounted on the 95 amplifies these bass notes even more. it could be that in certain situations, like very large halls, this could be an advantage... but in domestic situations (which is what digital pianos are ultimately mostly intended for) I don't see it as an advantage, quite the opposite... (I am obviously only speaking of the "digital piano" situation, let it be clear).

concluding, and for my use, I have therefore moved towards this choice: yamaha clp 470. kawai CA65

yamahaCLP470

advantages:

good sound

good reliability

good keyboard

disadvantages:

it will never be a real piano

kawai CA65

advantages:

keyboard a tiny bit better than the CLP470 (perhaps I am a bit against the current regarding the opinions I have also read on this forum, but I don't find it much better compared to that of the yamaha CLP470 when playing it... just a tiny bit...)

disadvantages:

lower quality sound compared to the yamaha (the only acceptable one is the piano, the others are truly fake...)

i doubt a bit the reliability and durability of the mechanism (compared to the yamaha)

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Reply 20 by scelsi

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I forgot... the pedal!!!!

sur the Kawai, it seemed very precise and sensitive to me.

sur the Yamaha, it seemed less realistic to me... more fake... the travel before it took effect was longer... I was told that it is possible to adjust it but... anyway, I tried two CLP470s and they were both the same!

i like the Kawai pedal better

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