Conducting

Last movement

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Opening post by micamahler

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I don't have much to say, even though it has already been (rightly) noted that one shouldn't just link videos but express some comment regarding them. I find this video truly impactful and I won't deny that this is largely due to a close-up of this type, which always has its effect.

Nevertheless, I felt like sharing it, in case anyone missed it.

But I do have a question: is the movement at 0:32 a typical movement that I have never seen before, or is it, in its own way, a bit particular? It seems as if they want to express the closing of a phrase, but I rather feel the beginning of a subsequent phrase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8YUIG3YgxQ

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Reply 2 by Carlos

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At 0:32 LB closes a sound on the first beat of the measure with a vertical downward gesture, except that the sound in the video is barely audible. On the 3rd beat of the same measure, he gives an attack with a horizontal gesture (which he starts with his arms crossed).

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Reply 3 by micamahler

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Ok, thanks for the answer! What do you think then of his interpretation of Mahler? Not at a conducting level in the strict sense but in a broad sense, with reference to what he says, to the comments he makes about this finale.

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Reply 4 by Carlos

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I must admit that regarding LB I risk being somewhat biased... I am madly in love with him and I am often willing to forgive things that I wouldn't even forgive myself. That said, particularly regarding Mahler (but not only), I find that his readings (and the arguments he brings in support of them) are on the verge of being incomparable, due to the depth and penetration of the most intimate, violent, and contrasting meanings of the Mahlerian language, which perhaps Bernstein understood like few others, while approaching it, in his own way, with a very identifiable personality. In an attempt to be as objective as possible (which, as I was telling you, is quite complicated for me in LB's case), I would say that the exuberance of this great musician (I am speaking of Bernstein) pairs well with a language—that of Mahler—which is made of such contrasts, such excesses at times, that they need to "be brought out," to be exaggerated and not smoothed over.

Today perhaps, after a century of Mahler (but let's not forget that the first complete Mahlerian cycle in Italy was Claudio Abbado's at La Scala at the end of the '60s, incredible but true...); I was saying, after a century of Mahler we have, both musicians and listeners, acquired a familiarity that was certainly almost a utopia in Bernstein's time. Memorable is his performance with the Vienna Philharmonic (for whom, among other things, those symphonies were written) with Bernstein forced to sweat blood in front of a recalcitrant orchestra that refused to play that "shitty music" (their words, quoted by LB himself). Mahler said that "everything is written in the score except the essential," and I think Bernstein was able to bring out exactly that essential.

A totally different approach to his music, which I appreciate very much even if what I have just said may seem strange, is that of Pierre Boulez, who reaches very high results in Mahler's music, in my opinion, starting from a completely different angle. Bernstein emphasizes the emotional aspect of that music, using everything possible from the scores that "serves the purpose," while Boulez emphasizes the meticulous construction of the scores, especially the play of colors, cleaning and refining the palette so that all that Mahler wrote is rendered with maximum fidelity (and, I must say, he succeeds like few others). At that point, the "essential" emerges with a power completely different from that unleashed by Bernstein's readings, because in Boulez's readings the essential seems to explode directly from the written page, to which the French conductor reserves a respect that I find only in some conductors who deal with the Baroque repertoire.

This, in my opinion, confirms something that I continue to find exhilarating in making music: the text, the author, are the starting point, the one and only. Never, ever should a musician put themselves ahead of the music they interpret. Nevertheless, the results can be so surprisingly different as to eliminate any concern about loss of variety or loss of fantasy in following a written text which, due to the type of language it uses, is among the most "interpretable" of all. In fact: as Brendel says, much more fantasy is required if one seeks to be faithful to a composer than if one takes too many liberties, because arbitrariness can be poorly masked as fantasy, whereas a lack of fantasy is and remains just that.

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