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Very often I happen to study a piece. My practice consists of variations, metronome scales, and memorization first with hands separate and then together... but during performance I always stumble upon some error....(generally there are many fewer errors if the study of the piece is done on the same day as the performance)...it happens especially if the piece has not been picked up for several days...

How do I avoid these errors and keep the piece in the same state as the day it was studied (more or less the performance of the piece was quite clean on the day of study)???

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Reply 2 by pianoexpert

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It's a bit complex to answer. I will try to be concise.

"What we truly know is what remains after we have forgotten everything" This is not my phrase, but I like it.

Assimilation is undoubtedly a "guarantor" of the result of the performance "by rote".

Repetition leads us to the result,...but sometimes it does not ensure it over time. In fact, if it happens that at the next study session we remember very little of what we had "studied"... perhaps we studied poorly... or we did not solve the problems... In short, we have not become masters of the piece. And yet, when we had studied... it was always getting better. By repeating, a good result had been reached. Yes, but perhaps we relied too much on "motor" training and less on mental awareness.

Try to become "conscious" of the solutions and test yourself as if you had to explain to a student "how to do it".

Difficult? Clear? I don't know, it is hard to explain it this way.

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Reply 3 by DanelePiano

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....so sorry pianoexpert but it's not very clear to me....maybe if I understood correctly, I should memorize the "harmonic sense" of the musical phrases??

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Reply 4 by pianoexpert

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harmony helps a lot. But it seems to me that the hand becomes more fallible! I believe that one must develop a technique that is also and above all mental. What the brain does, the hand does. Feeling the tranquility of the hand and repeating what will be done in performance.

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Reply 5 by maquieto

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I'll give my opinion even though I am new to the forum. I naturally agree completely with Paolo and I find the sentence said at the beginning to be absolutely correct.

If you, Daniele, study a piece and during this study (variations and metronome bursts are an excellent thing, by the way) you don't work well, meaning you allow yourself mistakes, these wrong traces remain in memory and the brain is worse than a computer, damn it! Let me explain better. If in a piece the hand instinctively—whether out of laziness, by chance, or for performance practicality—wants to play one note instead of another that might be uncomfortable, then that instinctive gesture, which is therefore easily absorbed by your brain, will with difficulty reverse all those mental gestures that you performed correctly while reading the score.

When tackling a piece, it is generally read in parts, reaching a precise point, but this should not be underestimated since that virgin moment is fundamental; it is at that moment that you must not allow yourself (or rather, you must not allow your hand to do whatever it wants) but with the help of the brain, you must concentrate (perhaps with great effort) and try to say all the right notes in the right place. You must not just repeat the piece or the set of notes that form it, but mechanically, because it is precisely that type of mechanical study that struggles to take hold in the memory. Let's say that technique and study should be experienced as joy and not as tedium, and all the difficult and technical parts must be studied in function of expression and not coldly. For example, have you never noticed how pieces with slow tempos stay in your head more than those with fast tempos? Because a slow tempo has time to settle in an orderly and rhythmic way within our brain, and since it is harder to make mistakes on an "adagio" compared to a "presto," this adagio will be remembered better, in addition to the fact that the brain has much more time to choose the notes it needs to say at the moment of execution. Anyway, every individual has different aspects to resolve, but what you are saying is quite common and is happening right now even to me when I underestimate certain situations.

Regarding studying hands separately, I think it is right, but I believe one should also do a lot of sight-reading practice with both hands together.

Sorry for the somewhat long response, but I think that by talking about how I resolved some hiccups, maybe someone might benefit, right? Naturally, if there are inaccuracies or bad advice, I hope our supervisors intervene, who... are truly well-prepared. Bye and thanks for this forum.

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Reply 6 by pianoexpert

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Bravo!!!!

The only clarification. Ok, slow and "thoughtful" study..... but slowness must not distort the accentuation. E.g.: if we have to perform a fast waltz in "one", let's try to preserve that "one" even in the slow parts and not fragment the accentuations too much.

I agree with the rest

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