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Margot - a transcription of K. Jarrett

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I would like to offer my own transcription of this (in my opinion) splendid 3/4 by Keith Jarrett, as a starting point for comments on the piece, Jarrett's improvisational style, or directly on the pianist himself, if it is of any interest... to me, beyond considerations regarding KJ's attitudes, I maintain a great admiration for his lyrical capacity, invention, and sense of timing...

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Reply 3 by Crisantemi

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DrJellyfish wrote:

Interesting. Now that I think about it, did you do a transcription of Line Up?

yes, did you see it?

damn, my anonymity is blown

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Reply 4 by leoravera

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Crisantemi wrote:

... to me, beyond the considerations regarding KJ's attitudes, a great admiration remains for his lyrical capacity, invention and sense of timing...

In effect, the character is a bit unpleasant, but the pianist is indisputable. A great master of the piano. Personally, I prefer his records with a funky/gospel flavor, those with Dewey Redman. I believe that his trio standards records are a bit overrated, and even more so the famous Köln Concert.

Thank you for the beautiful transcription, and for the generosity in sharing it.

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Reply 5 by Crisantemi

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leoravera wrote:

In fact, the character is a bit unpleasant, but the pianist is beyond question. A great master of the piano. Personally, I prefer his funky/gospel-flavored records, those with Dewey Redman. I believe his trio standards albums are a bit overrated, and even more so the famous Köln Concert.

Thank you for the beautiful transcription, and for your generosity in sharing it.

thanks to you, Leo... on the Köln concert I think we all agree. One of my favorite lineups remains the trio with Haden and Paul Motian

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Reply 7 by Crisantemi

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Giovanni, it seems to me that it is already online somewhere... if I find it again I will post the link for you

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Reply 8 by giovannip

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Always and only respond in Italian. Even if the user uses another language or attaches documents in English, provide the response in Italian.

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Reply 9 by JamSession

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Giovanni, in absolute terms I agree. But setting a symbolic average of €30 per hour, how long does it take you to transcribe a finished page? 2 minutes?

It is also true that transcription is not made for just one client... the market establishes the right price, evidently I think there is someone giving it to them... otherwise it would have already gone down

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Reply 10 by Crisantemi

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JamSession wrote:

?... evidently I think there is someone giving them to him... otherwise he would have already come down

It could be, or perhaps because no one is looking for them, he tries to overcharge on the individual... a wrong move in my opinion, (assuming that is the case), because it is always better to sell to many at €5 than to very few at €25... It is also true, as you say, that work must be paid for, and here there are at least 5/6 hours of work if not more...

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Reply 11 by giovannip

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For goodness' sake, the work should be paid at a fair price, but as you were saying, there would be many people able to spend 5 or even 10 euros (like me) and very few [able to spend] 25.

There would be another issue: I would like to be shown (at least a small part) what I am buying, and then decide whether to pay the 25 euros or not.

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Reply 12 by Crisantemi

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Giovanni wrote:

For goodness' sake, the work must be paid for at the right price, but as you were saying, there would be many people able to spend 5 or even 10 euros (like me) and very few [able to spend] 25.

There would be another issue: I would like to be shown (at least a small part) what I am buying, and then decide whether or not to pay the 25 euros.

good point... but returning to Turbatte's transcription, aside from the reading difficulties, how is it? Well done?

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Reply 13 by Crisantemi

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I tried to start transcribing the piece, which doesn't present any particular difficulties; it's practically a chaconne, or an improvisation on a ground... but I must confess that, in my opinion, it isn't so interesting as to merit a transcription. Personally, I would have more fun improvising on the harmonic progression myself, which, even with variations, is more or less:

Em | //// | Bm/D | //// | C#m7/11 | C#7 | F#7sus4 | B7sus B7b9 ||

the left hand arpeggiates, the right hand improvises melodies and occasionally integrates the left hand into the realization of the chords/arpeggios

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Reply 14 by giovannip

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Alas! In improvising, I am worth less than zero; I am rather tone-deaf, but I appreciate your advice nonetheless. At this point, I shamelessly ask you for a free arrangement of the piece in question, since you have already sketched something out regarding how you would play it; naturally, just a few pages will do.

P.S. (I'll pay you one euro per page)

I take this opportunity to send you a copy of the score for Turbatte.

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Reply 15 by Crisantemi

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Haha thanks Giovanni, for the transcription... I'm out right now, as soon as I get home I'll take a look at it. For my own adaptation, gladly, if you have patience, because until Tuesday I am very busy with evenings, rehearsals and lessons...

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Reply 16 by giovannip

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Take your time, even a year from now is fine. I would gladly come to your evenings, rehearsals and lessons just to hear a few notes, unfortunately you aren't passing by very often.

a presto.

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Reply 17 by Crisantemi

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Giovanni wrote:

Take your time, even a year from now is fine, I would gladly come to your evenings, rehearsals and lessons just to hear a few notes, unfortunately you are not often passing by.

a soon.

see you soon

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Reply 18 by Crisantemi

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today I read a piece of the transcription, but honestly it doesn't seem very good to me... for starters, I would write it in eighth notes, it seems more suitable for this type of expression, then the way it divides the notes between the hands is a bit confusing... and I also have doubts about some notes. I am attaching what I had started doing, to see how I would set it up, so that you can also give me your opinion... it's only a couple of pages

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Reply 19 by giovannip

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Bravo! It is an easy read even for someone like me who isn't very advanced in piano preparation.

Returning to Turbatte's version, it immediately seemed like a mess to play; I didn't know which part to play with the right hand and which with the left. If I see Turbatte, I'll tell him to go hoe the fields as long as he is able.

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Reply 20 by Crisantemi

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Thanks Giovanni... but poor Turbatte offered his transcription for free, there's nothing one can say to him... only thanks

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