L. V. Beethoven

Missa solemnis, op. 123

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Opening post by Terenzio

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A visitor to my site sent this message regarding the notes on Beethoven's Missa Solemnis op. 123 contained on this page:

http://www.flaminioo...sasolemnis.html

"there are several errors in the note on the Missa solemnis 1) the key of the Credo is B-flat major, not G minor 2) Agnus dei is in B minor/D major 3) there is no basset horn but the contrabassoon"

I drew my information from the well-known volume by Amedeo Poggi and Edgar Vallora.

Could someone kindly tell me how things actually are so that I can make the appropriate corrections?

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Reply 2 by Azzurro

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In my opinion, it is in D major and the instrumentation used by B. is that of a large orchestra (consisting of 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets, 2 bassoons, contrabassoon, 4 horns, 2 trumpets, 3 trombones and timpani), organ, mixed 4-part choir and 4 soloists (soprano, alto, tenor and bass).

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Reply 3 by Gagaku

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http://www.biblioteche.regione.lombardia.it/OPACRL/cat/SDF?CODICE_BIBLIO=&CODICE_BIBLIO_O=uguale&CODICE_BIBLIO_C=AND&AUTORE_O=AND&AUTORE=&TITOLO_O=AND&TITOLO=beethoven&SOGGETTO_BW_O=AND&SOGGETTO_BW=&DESCRITTORE_BW_O=&DESCRITTORE_BW=&DESCRITTORE_O=AND&DESCRITTORE=123&INDIRIZZOWEB_O=&INDIRIZZOWEB=&TIPO_DOCUMENTO_O=uguale&TIPO_DOCUMENTO=&TEMP500A_O=&TEMP200E_O=&FORMFL_OB=CHIAVE+DI+ORDINAMENTO+DEL+TITOLO&FORM_SO=Ascend&FORM_C=AND

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Reply 4 by Oracolo

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Terenzio wrote:

A visitor to my site sent me this message regarding the notes on Beethoven's Missa Solemnis op. 123 contained on this page:

Could someone kindly tell me how things actually stand so that I can make the appropriate corrections?

From my point of view, perhaps it is enough to download the scores from IMSLP... without even resorting to the manuscripts, but if necessary, maybe someone has access to the manuscripts and can verify them

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Reply 5 by LuigiB

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As far as the score of Beethoven's Missa Solemnis is concerned, it was printed by Schott in 1827 :

Symphonies with concluding chorus on Schiller's Ode: "Ode to Joy" for large orchestra, 4 Solo and 4 Chorus voices, composed and dedicated in deepest reverence to HIS MAJESTY the KING of PRUSSIA / FREDERICK WILLIAM III by Ludwig van Beethoven. 125th Work. Property of the publishers. โ€“ Mainz and Paris, : at B. Schott's Sons. ; Antwerp (Anversa)

Meanwhile, in 1827, the individual parts were printed as follows:

Soprano / Solo, Alto / Solo, Tenor / Solo, Bass / Solo, Soprano / Chorus, Alto / Chorus, Tenor / Chorus, Violin I, Violin II, Viola, Violoncello, Bass, Organ, Flute I, Flute II, Oboe I, Oboe II, Clarinet I in A, Clarinet II in A, Bassoon I, Bassoon II, Contrabassoon, Horn I, Horn II, Horn III, Horn IV, Trumpet I, Trumpet II, Alto Trombone, Tenor Trombone, Bass Trombone, Timpani and the organ (which was not among the scores in the first edition).

So from here you can see the complete instrumentation.

Regarding the keys you are asking about:

The Credo can be divided into 4 parts:

- From Allegro ma non troppo to "descendit de coelis" in B-flat

- From "Incarnatus est" to "Resurrexit" in D

- From "Et ascendit" to the Credo in F

- The Fugue and Coda "et vitam venturi saeculi, amen" in B-flat.

Agnus Dei: Begins with the male voice in B minor and goes to D major with the "dona nobis pacem"

I hope I have clarified this for you.

But as always, for a complete description you can consult our friend Armando's website:

http://www.lvbeethov...se.html#Opus123

A warm greeting.

Luigi

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Reply 6 by Terenzio

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Thank you all for the help, I have already made the appropriate corrections.

I was perplexed because my visitor sent me an absolutely anonymous message and in these cases one has the doubt that someone enjoys messing things up.

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