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Morricone attacks: "music in schools is a disaster and enough with flutes"

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Reply 21 by LucaCavaliere

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Dear Red… no hoe.

Of course listening is active!

In fact, as a non-musician, I am very proud of my role when I attend a concert… and I subscribe to everything you say above.

I didn't mean to say that a teacher should propose any piece without introducing/guiding it… or anything else you rightly write.

But how can one put performer and listener on the same level (in terms of 'activity')!?

But just for the simple fact that to listen – even to someone speaking! – one must be quiet (quietly in one's mind too)… isn't that 'passivity'?... with all the positive value I attribute to this word.

One could define active listening (the only true listening) as a 'conscious passivity'…

But I wouldn't want to go that far in the discussion. One could also observe that the first education toward active listening should come from parents.

But then we are going even further…

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Reply 22 by ScalaQuaranta

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I think that, in discussions like this, divergences emerge when interlocutors refer to different underlying assumptions. My assumption (upon which my entire conception of the subject of MUSICAL ED. and teaching it rests) is to understand the subject of MUSIC as a PRETEXT to accompany and stimulate personal growth. In particular, the creative aspect, fantasy, personality, etc. This principle was strongly instilled in me during the 4 years of the teacher training course. This means that Musical Ed. MUST NOT train musicians (who train through other well-known paths). This is my starting point; then, over the years, I have shaped my teaching style according to the equation KNOWLEDGE + FANTASY = CREATIVITY. Let me explain. Knowledge, the broad-ranging factual kind, is what is treated in various subjects (literature, mathematics, history, technology, art, etc.); fantasy is what my students have (or should have) VIVIDLY, and which represents the true raw material, the fuel, the energy that drives the system forward. But for it to be good fuel, it must be recognized with the same great and fundamental importance; creativity... is the final goal: creating something concrete, something tangible with one's own strengths and knowledge. Now... if musical ed. is understood as I understand it, i.e., as a catalyst between education, knowledge, and the realization of the individual, certain customs that have been consolidated for too many years now lose their meaning: playing the recorder, music theory, listening, music history, etc. They lose meaning (but not importance) because my goal is different. It must also be said that lately schools have finally opened up to learning diversities because it seems that specific learning disabilities are more widespread than previously thought. Add multi-ethnicity, unemployment, social decay, the crisis... and the circle closes. I learned the hard way that a dyslexic student and a recorder is an impossible pairing. I learned the hard way that it makes no sense to teach even the basics of music theory to a socially degraded class because.... for people with a destiny almost as marked as you can imagine, could notes on lines or spaces, a B-flat played on Mozart's flute of life, or listening to the Rite of Spring matter?

But what if these same people were asked to put into practice those few notions learned in geometry, mathematics, and technology to design a musical instrument? What if, in the woodworking lab, they could actually build it and see that it works? What if then these same people thought of inventing music? What if, after middle school, one of these tough guys had decided to become a carpenter, having become enthusiastic about this circuit of things? Did I do my job well or poorly?....

On the other hand, an old-fashioned music teacher who scrupulously follows the ministerial program—only recorder, history, theory, and rote learning for old folks—manages perhaps to enthuse a tough guy, and this person becomes so passionate that they want to pursue musical studies at a conservatory or study something else... has this teacher done their job well or poorly? ...

In an increasingly small and increasingly difficult world, dry factualism that is an end in itself has neither didactic nor educational effectiveness. To me, my 'tough guys' have demonstrated that they are capable of doing great, very great things, profound, important, exciting things... it is just a matter of putting them in the position to be able to do so.

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Reply 23 by ScalaQuaranta

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P.S. I realize I have been prolix, unclear in some passages, and that I used somewhat questionable and slightly tortured Italian! I apologize, but it was due to haste, the fact that this is a subject that engages me quite a bit, and above all because I posted the last message via smartphone.

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Reply 24 by foster12

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How can one not share what Maestro Morricone said?

Regarding the flute issue, it is also a matter of cost/feasibility.

Better with the flute than with the iPad keyboard that emulates the piano. And that's where we might end up soon...

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Reply 25 by Thesimon

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@ScalaQuaranta

I agree, but here we return to the discussion about the passion for teaching that we had in another topic, if I'm not mistaken. I would also consider technological variables. Music is made with a myriad of things; you just need to know which strings to pull, and it doesn't take much with young people. Everyone is in front of a PC, on YouTube, others playing games; certainly, all today's youth are quite comfortable with technology. So why not teach them how to use a DAW? Why not teach them a music notation software like Sibelius or Finale, and then also include music theory by explaining that even if they are using a PC, you cannot enter a note into a piano roll if you don't know the durations, the rests, or the position of the notes on the staff. Make them passionate about an instrument by explaining that the music they have written and listen to with a synthesizer or a sampler would sound much better if they were the ones playing it while recording themselves. Give vent to creativity. The thing must be done with extreme patience and cleverness. We must ensure that they are the ones moving towards the mill, rather than us pulling them.

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Reply 26 by CromaDiBrera

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Dear Simone, I understand your point, but, coming from someone who now only makes music with a computer, I think there are limits that shouldn't be crossed. Music is a sonic experience linked to the physical production of sound, and I believe one should be moved simply by this; therefore, I am not sure it would be beneficial to introduce students to the world of virtual production without first making them realize what the concrete production of a sound obtainable from an acoustic instrument is. Respectfully speaking (and precisely because, I repeat, I only use sampled libraries), the world is already far too full of kids tinkering with virtual orchestras on a PC without realizing what it means to actually have such a phrase performed by flesh-and-blood musicians, and who think that being able to play everything on a MIDI keyboard is enough.

I think the two things should be paired together, but without disregarding the experience of a real instrument.

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Reply 27 by Thesimon

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Yes, but what I actually meant to say is that one must also put oneself in a position to create a place of merit within the reputation that these kids attribute to the teacher, and then proceed backwards. All young people nowadays have great confidence with technology, so why not use this connection to then be able to work backwards by demonstrating that you cannot just sit in front of a PC and make Music without having knowledge of music theory, without having listened to the great composers, and without becoming passionate about an instrument? In my example, technology is merely "exploited" (a slightly improper term, but bear with me) to be able to capture the attention of a class that, if forced to endure the traditional ministerial program, would not be interested... which is what almost always happens with music class: music hour = recess hour. If starting from technology in order to proceed backwards is useful to arouse the interest of the kids, then so be it. The important thing is that the main topics to which you rightly refer are not forgotten.

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Reply 28 by LucaCavaliere

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I agree with both of your points (CromaDiBrera and TheSimon)

never disregard real experience

(in another field I heard "old" computer graphics experts complaining about young colleagues who have never actually left a mark)

But the point about "promotional cunning" is also excellent (can one say that?).

Let's start from the fascinating technological-play aspect... and then we will delve deeper "backwards."

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