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The hiss of the returning boomerang is beginning to be felt by those who threw it. The "brilliant" government trio of the Agency has managed the authentic miracle of uniting and compacting all trade unions and the entire music sector. Strength and courage to our friends at the Teatro dell'Opera di Roma.
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But also no
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This is how, in my opinion and with extreme conciseness, everyone interviewed by any newspaper, radio, or TV regarding the affairs of the Opera di Roma should behave. Well done! But overall, I still sense too many silences and too little reaction.
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Here they flip the responsibilities... now if the unions don't find a solution ...
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We will certainly all have to come to terms with it. After the maestro's deafening silence regarding the layoffs of the Orchestra and Chorus at the Opera di Roma, this was his first public statement. Artists, or those claiming to be such, should always keep in mind that among the factors that inevitably intersect with their professional art are social behaviors and relationships; these have a weight on their art and on others. Not saying even a single word of clarity regarding what for six years was his Orchestra is extremely irritating and petty, especially in light of the fact that many illustrious musicians have "gone to the trouble" of expressing solidarity and indignation regarding the events at the Opera di Roma.
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I think - and I say this with deep regret - that the Maestro is right.
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Taking into account all the discussions held so far and the attacks on Muti, I too, for my part, understand him deeply.
Between the lines, I think Muti feels this: - I am a serious person, a world-renowned professional; I gave Italy the opportunity to count me among its musical context, which is at least disastrous, trying, also thanks to my stature, to lift the fortunes of music in my country, but I have received no help, whether professional, musical, or ideological. Every time something needs to be decided, there are years of bureaucracy in the middle. Keep your bureaucracy, your perverse ideals, and stew in your own juice. While you struggle to find fictitious solutions devised by those who play at being experts because they don't even know how to tie their shoes, I will go elsewhere to reap successes; you had your chance, you saw me this time, and you won't see me again! -
Do we want to blame him?
It seems to me, without exception, the same situation that arose with Rubbia a few years ago when there was talk of alternative energy production plants. Words, words, words from that donkey Casini and nothing happened. Could Rubbia, who is a serious person, submit to Casini's games? Obviously not; that is why he built 40 of his plants in Spain in 2 years with immediate funding and a great desire to act.
When I observe these events, I am increasingly convinced of how Italy is a country of idiots! First in history, first in the economy, first in technological discoveries, we have gone from being the best to being the last in everything. After all, when one tastes prosperity, it only takes a moment to rest on one's laurels and fall, stumbling, at the very first step that appears.
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I agree with Simone. Sometimes the Great ones need to give a "jolt"... if they don't do it......
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In my opinion, Simone said some sacrosanct things....I agree with everything. The problem of art (in this case music), in Italy is only 1 of the many current problems we carry on our shoulders. Under the pretext of money, a total degradation of taste has been created everywhere. For years, Italy has no longer invested in anything, no sector, and doing nothing has led to the breakdown of everything. The destruction of culture (and in this case art in all its forms) unfortunately leads to degradation, to a lack of interest in what is beautiful.... with the consequence that our young people don't care about Muti or others, showing how much their taste has decayed. We are facing a desolate scenario, where nothingness is the protagonist.....but I ask myself.....is money really necessary to make art? Let's look back through the centuries. In the 1800s, when the greatest artists found themselves in Parisian salons. When they performed, they weren't paid... and yet in those salons of the era, the "greatest art" was the protagonist. Masterpieces were churned out every day "for free".....I realize that today is different.... we need to bring bread to eat home, but even before everyone had the same problem... but they didn't stop making art!!! They continued to compose, to perform, perhaps underpaid, some actually went hungry... don't misunderstand me.... I am not saying it is right, for heaven's sake!!! Instead, it would be right for a nation to understand how necessary art is, but if that does not happen, a true artist must absolutely not renounce what they studied for many years, what their temperament, character, and instinct have led them toward since birth. Talent is a serious thing; talent has created geniuses, masterpieces.....it has made billions of people dream throughout the centuries. Talent passes into history and will remain engraved "forever". All musicians cannot stop because of the incompetence of those who govern us....
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I also agree with Simone. I am originally from Russia but have lived here in Italy for more than 11 years. In my country, the culture for theater and the orchestra, from what I know, is still alive. The musical training system is also one of the highest in the entire world, so much so that the head of the international association of universities, in 2005, stated that Russian musical culture has rich, constantly evolving traditions and that Russia should be proud of its musical training system, which could also be recommended to other countries. By this, I do not mean that Russia is an example in everything, because like every country, Russia also has its problems, but as far as education is concerned, its system is exemplary. The fact that theaters are still populated by many people is the natural consequence of the education received. When Simone gives the example of eighty-year-olds frequenting Italian theaters, how can we blame him? Younger generations prefer discotheques and, believe me, I have never met a boy in a disco who was there because he was passionate about music. The only purpose of young people in a disco is to pick up people.
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I really like these last two interventions.
The first one, Gilda's, because just in these days, also thinking about certain discussions I read here, I thought about what I would do if I knew how to play an instrument decently.
With the awareness that with this knowledge of mine one cannot make a living, but precisely for the passion that animates me, I would go to my Municipality and propose myself: I know how to play the... I am at your disposal to play in our little theater. I ask for nothing except the use of the hall, free admission, and the proceeds are mine.
Sole purpose: to intrigue, entice, and educate the public in music.
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These things are done, but unfortunately people go to the theater to hear karaoke or a band for a charity concert. Nobody goes to hear a classical music concert. I can assure you because I have experienced it firsthand. I am posting a video in which I played with my father (the drummer) and some of his friends on the occasion of a charity concert (the third edition). The theater was overflowing, 250 seats plus several people standing. I believe there were at least 400 people in total.
At a piano concert I gave at the same theater, free admission, there were maybe 150 people and I think at least half came because they knew me well. The problem, as I repeat, comes first of all; in my opinion, it is strictly related to education. If things don't change there, nothing will be resolved, even by inventing "bicycles with hatches".
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Like father, like son
I wasn't very enthusiastic about the singer.
This is proof of what we were saying before. probably everything is determined by education.
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Simone, 150 people out of 250 available seats for a classical music concert is not bad at all.
What worries me is when the theaters are practically empty; that is what truly worries me.
That classical or highbrow music, as one might want to call it, is not a mass product is, and probably always will be. If the opposite were ever to happen, it would mean that the world we live in has completely changed, but that is unthinkable.
The important thing is to reverse that phenomenon that leads to the classical audience thinning out more and more. A phenomenon that, in Italy, is exponential.
I would like to leave this earthly life knowing that the number of people who go to listen to classical music is increasing, and that the theaters or musical spaces that offer it are increasing.
If we can achieve this, we can already be very satisfied.
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@Daniele
I completely agree with what you are saying!
@Irina
Thank you for the appreciation, I will also inform my father
The singer is a friend of ours; she certainly isn't Callas, she sings for the pleasure of singing, she has never attended singing school, she does it out of pure passion and lends herself to it when we organize these concerts. Admission is by free donation, so that everyone can give what they can. The last year I participated, we collected a bit more than 2000 euros, which is better than nothing (an average of 5 euros per person), but it's truly exhausting—not so much playing and rehearsing with the group, which is 120 km away from where I live, but preparing the entire show. All the instruments, the amplification system, etc., etc., belong to the artists who put together what they have. Setting everything up and trying to make the audience understand something during the concert is a truly difficult task because often the materials are totally inadequate. I don't think I will participate anymore because every time cables and microphone cases disappear, and they don't take care of what is lent to them, and I must say I have lost quite a bit of money because of it. The audio check is too often entrusted to people who don't even know how a mixer works, risking breaking equipment that, although inadequate for the occasion, costs thousands of euros. Being kind is fine, but risking your neck is not. Furthermore, advice is too often rejected because everything immediately takes on a competitive tone, and I don't like this, especially in a context that should act as a bond between organizers. There are those who show up to rehearsals to sing their song when the sound check still needs to be done and complain because their microphone is whistling. They haven't done anything; they only show up for those 5 minutes for their rehearsal and curse at the others who have been stuck inside the theater for two days trying to make systems work that are totally inadequate acoustically for that space, which would require speakers of a completely different design. In short, it seems like VIPs are arriving. For this and other reasons, I have decided to let these people stew in their own juice. If even charity doesn't serve to unite people's souls by trusting the experiences of others with respect, then I think we have truly reached the end of the line.
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TheSimon wrote:When I observe these events, I become increasingly convinced that Italy is a country of idiots! From being first in history, first in the economy, first in technological discoveries, we have passed to being last in everything. After all, when one tastes prosperity, it only takes a moment to rest on one's laurels and fall, stumbling at the very first step that appears.
Your example came to mind when I read this article ... we truly are the OLD continent
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Ok. Anyway, in my opinion, China is anything but an example to follow. They are a people that I do not like at all. They are worker ants, and even if they culturally have an obsession with work, in my opinion, a life at the service of work is a wasted life. As is commonly said, one should work to live and not live to work. Let's also add the anti-natalist policies and the thousands of abortions that occur every year throughout China. Their industrial revolution caused an increase in greenhouse gases due to their pollution which is massacring us, and they did not join the Kyoto Protocol because since others had polluted during their industrial race, now it was their turn (that's the gist of it). I think that 50 years ago, when other countries were industrializing, the anti-pollution technologies that exist today were not yet alive or present; therefore, the argument doesn't hold. No one is preventing anyone from industrializing, but since the earth is also mine just as my health is mine, hurry up and adopt anti-pollution solutions; now that they exist, there are no excuses. They are a people that I feel truly distant from my way of thinking, and I will stop here to avoid becoming offensive, but in short, I cannot stand them! I truly consider them the ruin of the entire world, not just on an economic level...
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Let's not generalize, the Chinese are traveling the world trying to learn, with the humility that we often complain is lacking.
That being said, I know it's a matter of taste, but I prefer the bassist
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thallo wrote:Let's not generalize, the Chinese are traveling the world trying to learn, with the humility that we often complain is lacking.
Everyone has their own opinion, which would be something else, but learning and copying are not synonyms. Often, or rather, too often, their copies of products from other countries are made with toxic materials; it's nothing new. There are Chinese warehouses here in Italy that are closed on a daily basis. Stuffed animals for children seized because they were made with toxic dyes and fur that comes off easily, ending up in children's mouths; perfumes, deodorants, and other toxic cosmetic products; electronic devices that break after not even a month of use because they are made with extremely low-quality components... Stuff that costs little and is worth little. They open businesses in other countries around the world by importing containers of illegal products, and as far as I'm concerned, I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese person hire an Italian for work. Not to mention Chinese restaurants. A friend of mine in finance told me that they did an inspection in a storage warehouse for products destined for Chinese restaurants imported from China, and there were large raccoons, as big as cats, walking all over the boxes and obviously even peeing on them.
It is a people to whom, humanly speaking, I wouldn't recognize even a cent. Exploiters of crisis times who peddle products that are worthless and harmful to health, not caring about the health of others as long as they profit from it. It's not about generalizing, there will also be "good" Chinese people, but statistically, given the reality of events, it is a people to whom I wouldn't give a dime; I can't see them in a good light.
thallo wrote:That said, I know it's a matter of taste, but I prefer the bassist
Tastes are tastes and are not up for debate!
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I came across this article and remembered this topic
Clearly, it still has to pass the Board of Directors
