My Study Program

If you don't have to do the fifth (assuming it can still be done), what is the program aimed at?

In general, it seems like too much stuff to me and with large gaps in difficulty, think in terms of difficulty levels... if you don't win the fifth-year studies... I see little use in doing the gradus and especially regarding 'the firsts', do you mean the first of the 100 or the first of the 23 that bring in pianists?

I'm telling you this because if you weren't interested in the eighth, there are several studies outside of the 23 chosen for the old system, which are very interesting or at least pleasant to play, as well as at a lower level... see for example the following 51, 52, 53, 62, 64, 70, 79, 91

Nothing from Heller regarding the studies? A musician who deserves to be known

If you can't yet play the scales in the 4 basic movements... why tackle those for double thirds and double sixths?

Along with Mozart, I wouldn't give up at least one sonata by Clementi and Beethoven

For Bach, instead of the usual 2 suites, I would branch out into the partitas and I wouldn't deprive myself of the suite in E-flat 😉

Clearly, all valid reasoning if we are referring to a situation without the fifth of the old system 😉

I wrote that I don't have to take exams 😠 it is a program aimed at myself! Since, thank goodness, after years of being stopped, I have recovered in a short time with all this stuff.

I do the scales for right hand without problems even with variations, so I also feel ready for those double ones since my teacher has already had me do the C major one. I don't know Heller's studies, I will look into it then...

I don't know Clementi's sonatas due to my own ignorance; I haven't explored Beethoven yet, I had done the easy sonata op. 49 in G major.

Regarding Clementi's studies, in fact, I wouldn't know if there are any good ones that aren't impossible; I will look at them. But aren't Bach's partitas played for the diploma? Anyway, I would do the G minor suite because I liked it so much and I had almost finished it; if the E minor one is also nice, I'll take a look, thanks for the suggestions.

elenka wrote:

I wrote that I don't have to take exams, it is a program aimed at myself!

Exactly! YOUR program also follows the fifth one too closely... branch out!

There are authors who were discriminated against by the old programs, a certain Mendelssohn 😉

I am still left with "perplexities regarding the gaps"; one cannot avoid passing through Beethoven, and there are wonderful Clementi sonatas that should at least be known—see the op. 25 sonatas, composed of 6 different sonatas.

Perfect and most famous is the fifth in F# minor, anguished and palpitating, all stretched in an expressive arc of pre-romantic beauty, such as to inspire, as is well known, a late Romantic writer such as Antonio Fogazzaro.

One of my favorites; there would be others, but I would take a look at this one 😉

For example, the fourth Sonata, less famous, is nonetheless extremely important for the pre-romantic character of an instrumental writing aimed at searching for a rich and flowery cantability, with an almost Chopin-esque flavor, which is something extremely impressive when one thinks about the publication date of the first edition (1790)

The smash hit op. 26 no. 3 would actually be op. 25 no. 6, written in the same brilliant style as op. 25 no. 2, typically Clementian (frankly, I like it even though I prefer sonatas written in minor keys).

Perhaps try to follow a logic of studies and pieces, making sure that the studies support the difficulties encountered in the pieces. Also listen to your teacher, who surely knows your weaknesses and your strengths. Regarding Czerny's No. 41 from Op. 740, does no one sympathize with it? In my opinion, it is a very useful study for right-hand gesture, for independence along with left-hand agility with a driving and expressive bass... not bad, I would say. Make your choices and let us know, bye.

@ What a beautiful choice, the 333, but...... difficult, right?

That Mozart sonata is beautiful 🙂 it's the third one I'm doing, eh it's quite tough but I like it a lot 🙂

My weak points are the fourth and fifth fingers like everyone else... I try to strengthen them by doing some Brahms op. extra exercises

anyway in my daily technique, besides scales, I also do all the arpeggios, both long and broken... then I don't know... I don't study to become a pianist anyway...

It seems like Frank read my mind. I agree with all his words. I would add the "appearance" of a Chopin. I also insist on the preparatory nature and on Heller, a fantastic author for developing expression and more. Happy studying!!!!

elenka wrote:

My weak points are the fourth and fifth fingers like everyone else... I am trying to strengthen them by doing some Brahms op. extra exercises

To strengthen the fourth and fifth fingers, studies that play on octaves are advisable (to be studied also with the most suitable variations); one fundamental one is no. 49 from Czerny's Op 740. Talk about it with your teacher.

Speaking of Czerny, I just discovered that he also wrote "6 octave studies op. 553", never seen or heard of... do you know what it is about?

Frank wrote:

Speaking of Czerny, I just discovered that he also wrote "6 studies of octaves op. 553", never seen or heard before... do you know what it is about?

Sorry, I am answering myself

http://petrucci.mus....-czerny_553.pdf

...when it comes to certain things I always forget that IMSLP exists too 🙂

I forgot

elenka wrote:

I can do scales in stepwise motion without problems, even with variations, so I also feel ready for the double ones since my teacher has already had me do C major.

No one can know better than your teacher who sees and hears you, but I didn't understand what you mean by variations.

In addition to stepwise motion, there is contrary motion, third-interval motion, and sixth-interval motion... the variations, usually rhythmic, dynamic, etc., are something else.

But probably I am the one who didn't understand...

Yes, by variations I meant the rhythmic ones with accents every two, every three, and every four; in that case, I will look at the octave studies,

thanks again 🙂

The Czerny octave studies are beautiful! I didn't know them....thank you.

@ For Elenka...to work better with the fifth finger, I found the exercises on the ''aponeurosis of the wrist'' very useful, which are actually just suitable exercises to loosen it. If I can, I'll send you some.