Music notation software

Notation Software With Sheet Music Scanning Function

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Hi, I read that there are several software programs capable of doing this, Sibelius Photoscore (2 versions, including a lite one, but it wouldn't be much use since it doesn't include certain types of note groups and more), at the moment I cannot purchase Photoscore and if I could I would do it in a heartbeat, there is also a lite version of Finale I believe that allows this function.

Do you know of other software like Musescore (free) that offers the possibility to scan and import files and then print them?

Thanks

( I usually look for these things myself, but every now and then I try asking those who have been using them for a long time, it's faster ).

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Reply 2 by Frank

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Piccinesco wrote:

Hi, I read that there are several software programs capable of doing this: Sibelius Photoscore (2 versions, including a lite one, but it wouldn't be much use since it doesn't include certain types of note groups and more), at the moment I cannot purchase Photoscore and if I could I would do it in a heartbeat; there is also a lite version of Finale, I think, that allows this function.

Do you know of any other software like MuseScore (free) that offers the possibility to scan and import files and then print them?

Thanks

(I usually look for these things myself, but every now and then I try asking those who have been using them for a long time, it's faster).

Do you mean scanning a score and transforming it directly into a digital score, in other words, automatically obtaining a .sib or a .mus file?

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Reply 3 by Piccinesco

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Yes, because (in particular) I have the score of a fantasy for piano, it is 6 pages, I'm not saying it's very long, but it would take me

a good while to "rewrite it" on the PC, whereas with these software programs I could do it in a flash, at most one needs to check that all the

indications have been reported.

I also mean in .pdf format if possible.

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Reply 4 by Frank

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Piccinesco wrote:

I also mean in .pdf format if possible.

If you mean to digitize a score via scanner (i.e., creating a pdf from paper), you don't need Finale... or Sibelius.

Whose fantasy for pf is it?

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Reply 5 by Piccinesco

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It's mine, I don't know if you remember, a while ago I sent you 3 pieces to show you, we spoke more than a month ago, I also sent them to Simone, but

some of these, being handwritten, create a bit of difficulty in reading.

I don't just mean creating a .pdf, but rather as happens in these two software programs, converting the score and making it "digital", as if

I were writing it with these software programs.

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Reply 6 by DiesIrae

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...but if you start from a manuscript, I see it as difficult; in general, the scan resolution is also important.

Below certain resolution levels, the software is unable to read and transcribe the notes into notation.

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Reply 7 by Piccinesco

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I can scan it again even with a higher resolution than the one I used some time ago.

Now I have to go out for a moment, when I get back, in case I send it to you Frank (sometimes I can't find the email I sent you).

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Reply 10 by Frank

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Piccinesco wrote:

It's mine, I don't know if you remember, a while ago I sent you 3 pieces to show you, we spoke more than a month ago

I really don't remember, in fact, sorry in advance if I didn't reply to you, I receive a lot of stuff and I wouldn't want this specific email to have slipped through

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when I get back, in case I'll send it to you Frank (sometimes I couldn't find the email I had sent you).

... well, maybe that's better

Anyway, it is possible to convert a pdf file into .bmp and use Photoscore specifically to scan the image ... I think Photoscore Ultimate 5 might be just what you need, it converts PDF to Sibelius

I have no news of anything else, but I see it as being very difficult and I don't know if it works starting from a manuscript... in my opinion, doing it by hand is faster; I understand 100 pages of a complex orchestral score, but a few pages of music for pf.........

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Reply 11 by Piccinesco

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I scanned it at 600 dpi, but it takes up 9 MB; if I can't reduce the file size, it will stay like this.

I don't want to seem lazy, but I took great care in writing it by hand, and rewriting it on the computer is a nightmare; every now and then

even I come out with statements that "astonish," and I am someone used to walking 10/15 km a day.

It's possible that among so many emails it actually slipped past you, it happens, don't worry, I'm sending it to you in 2 versions.

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Reply 12 by CromaDiBrera

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In any case, I don't think converting a manuscript is even worth discussing. PhotoScore is the most advanced (in the full paid version, not the basic one provided with Sibelius) and it is also very complicated to use, but I know it can't do it.

In any case, if you happen to have a Mac, there are sites where Sibelius 6 is sold via download, absolutely original, with updates and everything, and it costs a mere pittance (much, much less than PhotoScore: I guarantee it, my teacher bought it); if you want, just let me know...

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Reply 13 by Piccinesco

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During this period I cannot afford even an accessory for a netbook even if I wanted to, the Mac goes beyond every expectation unfortunately (although I wouldn't buy it anyway, I don't feel the need).

At this point, it is more convenient for me to do a bit of work these days, a few notes at times and then rewrite them on the PC; bad or good, it's just one piece, the others are short and easier to do, it's just that I had started rewriting by hand precisely for convenience, speed, and so as not to have to touch the PC anymore for these things, which in my opinion distance me from the actual physical gesture regarding a musical instrument.

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Reply 15 by Piccinesco

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I understand the joke, but even if it sounds bad to say, I am not in a good position; I don't know if anyone truly realizes what it feels like to go around with 2/3 euros to your name (often, it will certainly be for this reason that 48 ensembles out of 50

contacted decided not to respond; not even knowing me, did they intuit it? Are they clairvoyants?), and I am speaking seriously.

Fortunately, I can send faxes, even in series, and it wouldn't be a bad alternative, but the choice to write by hand stems precisely from this sense of detachment from the physicality of the instrument; in terms of sharing, it doesn't seem to me that there is such a need on the part of other people—of course, some are there and I am happy about it, but I prefer not to favor one path over another.

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Reply 16 by giovannip

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I have used PhotoScore 6 Ultimate and I can guarantee you that it doesn't lead anywhere; it manages to read very simple scores and especially with a good resolution. Find another way...

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Reply 17 by CromaDiBrera

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Listen Piccinesco, believe me, it is a bad time for everyone. But thinking of pulling something off by sending manuscripts seems to me, frankly, illusory (to use an euphemism). I sold my piano with Renner action, manufactured in Italy in the '70s, just to invest in the things we are talking about. I hope to live on it during my retirement, because what I would receive from my current job is practically nothing. And keep in mind that, even though I am self-employed, what I bring home is less than a thousand euros: and I'm talking about a self-owned commercial business (where, for one thing, I pay 1,600 euros a year just for trash collection... imagine the rest), not handing out flyers. So I understand you perfectly well when you write about certain types of problems. Rather, one must be ingenious, have the courage to invest and, if there is a possibility to sell something with the 'Do' circle of the Padre Pio broadcaster, do it without hesitation. This, sincerely, is what I think, given the moonlight...

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Reply 18 by CromaDiBrera

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In short, you can't "sink yourself" into obsolete systems... Get some damn pirated software, if that's what it takes, and get to work...! Honesty is fine, but no one will condemn you if it's a matter of SURVIVAL. Clear?

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Reply 19 by Piccinesco

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But anyway, they don't respond regardless, and it's not that I would do this to earn something, that wouldn't even be the intent, but just to have something recorded decently; so far (and this isn't free advertising, it's the truth) only Simone has recorded something, as for the others, I bet that if I guaranteed a compensation of 5000 euros they would kill themselves to respond (even if they don't care at all about what I have to propose), they don't think, and they don't even try to think that maybe in the future, if I were to pick things up again, you would spend thousands of euros; they make people lose trust, and I really cannot stand this way of behaving, I am speaking specifically about the attitude "we can't waste time responding to an email", and sure, it's hard, eh, moreover when information is requested politely, perhaps that is exactly what makes the matter unfavorable,

kindness; perhaps if I showed up at some rehearsal and threw the scores in their faces, they would deign to say "hello", this to reconnect with an email sent to me a few months ago with an arrogant tone by the director of an ensemble whose name I will not mention, and I will be very careful in the future about even asking him for a pin if I could afford it.

I have resorted to handwriting also because one cannot rely 100% solely on computer systems; just think that despite me making and having made several copies of proprietary formats of some software I used in the past, certain pieces cannot be opened because the files are corrupted, or the DVDs cannot be read well (even though I burned them at very low speeds to avoid this), and I had to rewrite them.

I might be too strict, but to give an example, many years ago I found myself in an emergency situation (as some would say, an emergency) on the street; I was on a bike, and so as not to bother people since I had caused the mess myself, I did not seek any help, because the way I see it, if someone gets themselves into trouble alone, I don't see why others should pull them out, and in that case I risked my health, but let this not deceive you, I am flexible, but on certain things, no.

Anyway, I did a quick test with PhotoScore, I downloaded it on the fly and then deleted it; it doesn't work, as I was told, it does not scan the score accurately, a real mess, so I find myself forced to rewrite it totally on the PC, and let's say that this test has made me lean towards not purchasing this software; at this point, it wouldn't be worth it for me to get it (whenever I am able to).

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Reply 20 by Frank

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I took a look at Piccinesco, it's nice and long but messy. I had some doubts; an optical reader expects perfection, like an editorial print.

In your case, even a human, who can add their own input and compensate for calligraphic deviations through reasoning, would struggle.

There are free market solutions; Melita, Fabio, and Raffaele use solutions that can be downloaded for free ... so it's just a matter of starting and getting involved ... and you would also have acquaintances who can give you suggestions

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