Only Good and Bad Music?

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Well Thallo, that's just how it goes ... Di Lernia is a great one too, how can you compare him to the Squallor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ5ehbQrQLg

... if you say so

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Diesirae, the minimalists make a simple one for DiLernia. This is what it means to insist on repetition as a compositional procedure.

let's set DiLernia aside, but Squallor are truly wonderful, but talk to a raging fan of Elio e le storie tese... which also means it's obvious that Fiki Fiki disgusts me :-) but I've been humming it since yesterday ahahah and we have to resign ourselves to the idea that music, especially songs, also have the role of a snack, being disposable little tunes. It's typical of pop music, and if in our discussion about well-written or poorly-written music we don't consider this point, then we aren't just discarding Fiki Fiki but many other tracks.

Look, this is a serious consideration: the category "poorly-or-well-written music" does not fit most pop music. It's like that category I mentioned, "objects more-or-less one meter long," which doesn't suit microbiology. The only conclusion I reach is that judging pop only with this category is useless and misleading. Do we want to say that pop isn't art? Fine, okay, even bass harmonization exercises aren't art, but we do them anyway. In my opinion, a musicologist (obviously I'm taking it from that point of view, but it's a discussion that applies to all musicians) MUST find the right means to understand and analyze EVERY type of music, even "non-artistic" music.

Yes Thallo, let's set DiLernia aside and keep the two hotties from the video...

thallo wrote:

Allow me to say that any filthy piece by Allevi is TECHNICALLY more complex than Bella ciao, but I don't go to my grandfather and call him ignorant because he listens to Alpine choirs instead of Mozart.... and here lies the ethical issue. I have never seen a discussion where people complain about the repertoire of Alpine choirs, who could all sing Palestrina instead of singing those ugly, insipid songs.

I'm going slightly off-topic (not too much, I hope!) to point out that 1) Bella ciao is not part of the Alpine choir repertoire; 2) not all of the Alpine choir repertoire (which is actually a very small sector of popular choral music) is ugly and insipid. Certain arrangements are instead technically and aesthetically valid, and not only within the scope of popular choral music, but in the entire genre of equal-voice choral music (even if compared to a Mendelssohn or a Brahms!). I am thinking of some pieces by Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli (him specifically!), which some admirers of the genre consider far too "refined," or by Giorgio Vacchi, Paolo Bon, even something by Bepi De Marzi (who doesn't enthuse me either) or by younger composers.

Returning to the topic, citing a post by Carlos on orchestration: the incipit of The Rite of Spring is "well written" so that it "sounds bad," and nowadays it is "played far too well" by bassoonists, losing something of the wildness and perhaps even the unpleasantness that Stravinsky intended.

Furthermore: "badly written" seems to me to refer to certain music where the intentions are not clearly understood. Certain pieces are technically "badly written" because it is intuitive that they want to achieve a certain result, a certain effect, but they adopt ineffective or unnecessarily complicated solutions.

a great friend of mine conducts several choirs in Val d'Ossola and he would have killed me for that phrase; I, for my part, never knew my grandparents, who probably didn't even know what the Alpini were (they aren't famous in Sicily...), so the phrase was deliberately exaggerated ;-) but the comparison with genre literature fits perfectly into our discussion, it is not off-topic at all. On the contrary, it demonstrates how little qualified I am to judge every type of music :-) specific preparation is always an indispensable prerequisite

Eagle wrote:

Yes Thallo, let's set DiLernia aside and keep the two hotties from the video...

Excellent idea, I completely agree

thallo wrote:

specific preparation is always an indispensable prerequisite

do you mean to evaluate whether a piece is well or poorly written? So we are back on track with the discussion about Carlos

to evaluate if it is written well, badly, so-so and so on

Carlos wrote:

Eh well, then if the list pops up you say "eh but now you have to tell me why" and when someone has told you why you say "eh well, but that is your opinion". So let's do this: in the globoterranean universe there are no badly written pieces: only well-written ones, which however people like or don't like... okay? Actually, now that I think about it: not even that, because if there are none that are "badly written" then there are none that are "well-written", only "written" ones and, maybe, "better written" ones, but bad ones no, there aren't any...

... in effect composition masters are useless ...