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...parallels: "In Praise of Writers Who Do Not Write Books"

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Opening post by stradivari

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An old article that I happened to come across; I read it by replacing some keywords like Writers with Composers, Books with Music, Reading with Listening, etc. ....

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In praise of writers who do not write books

They are masters at speaking, interpreting reality, and reading the texts of others. From Andrea Emo to Giuliano Ferrara, here are the "children" of Socrates

For me, it provides many points for reflection, here is one:

"For every true writer who does not write books, there are a hundred fake writers who unfortunately publish them."

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Reply 2 by Talentuoso

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In music, these figures are called Musicologists. Among other things, the Composition-Musicology faculty has emerged ... in "opposition" to the figure of the composer-writer... at this point.

And yes, composer is no longer enough .. now one must specify.

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Reply 3 by stradivari

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I hadn't made this type of association, it's just that the article places it more on the level of abstention rather than different specialization.

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Reply 4 by Oracolo

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In my opinion, a composer who does not write is not a composer. I mean, they aren't truly one inside, because it is a necessity and one can only resist for so long without writing.

I feel the same way about the writer... even if they focus on the "pulpit," if they preach well but perhaps live poorly

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Reply 5 by Frank

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Talentuoso wrote:

In music, these figures are called Musicologists. Among other things, the Composition-Musicology faculty has emerged ... in "opposition" to the figure of the composer-writer... at this point.

And yes, composer is no longer enough .. now one must specify.

I understand the point of view, but I prefer a musicologist to have skills in the compositional field rather than fewer. For that matter, it would also be better if composers had more historical/musicological skills.

I say this jokingly, but I would have liked perhaps to read some responses from a composer regarding delays and appoggiaturas

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Reply 6 by Rotore

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Yes, like the pianist who doesn't play or the conductor who doesn't conduct. What is it, the era of abstentionism?

... perhaps it is an "auto-directed" article

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Reply 7 by Talentuoso

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Frank wrote:

I always and only respond in Italian. Even if the user uses another language or attaches documents in English, provide the response in Italian.

Agreed, but it's a matter of definitions... of course they can conduct a theoretical in-depth study.

Frank wrote:

As is also better, composers should have more historical/musicological skills.

Yes, but you'll agree that the purposes are different... right?"}

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Reply 8 by thallo

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I rather wanted to ask you which faculty you were referring to when speaking of composition-musicology

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Reply 9 by Valchiria

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thallo wrote:

i rather wanted to ask you which faculty you were referring to when speaking of composition-musicology

I noticed that in Milan they offer a three-year degree with this description.

Returning to the topic, I can say that in an autogrill (I am on vacation) I read some shouting authors of the proposed texts to you:

- Al Bano

- Brignano

- Etc.

Now I say, if there were a professional writer

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Reply 10 by Talentuoso

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I rather wanted to ask you which faculty you were referring to when speaking of composition-musicology

http://www.consmilano.it/index.php?id=piani_triennio

http://www.consmilano.it/fileadmin/storage/didattica/triennio_ord._corretto/Scuola_di_Composizione_-_DCPL15_-_COMPOSIZIONE_-_Scienze_storiche__critiche_e_analitiche_della_musica.pdf

http://www.consmilano.it/index.php?id=piani_trienniohttp://www.consmilano.it/fileadmin/storage/didattica/triennio_ord._corretto/Scuola_di_Composizione_-_DCPL15_-_COMPOSIZIONE_-_Scienze_storiche__critiche_e_analitiche_della_musica.pdf

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Reply 11 by thallo

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just like universities, conservatories have also turned to non-existent subjects

i hope no one enrolls...

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Reply 12 by Marziano

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thallo wrote:

non-existent subjects

Interesting concept, what is the list of existing ones based on?

I mean, once calligraphy existed and musicology did not exist .... how is a subject born and how does it die?

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Reply 13 by thallo

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from my point of view, a subject is born from the academic discussion that develops around it. If a group of scholars exists, then a subject exists. Musicology has existed for centuries, practically since the first discussion of musical theory ever conducted (and therefore I would say AT LEAST since the Homeric poems onwards). Whether it had this name or not matters little. To speak about music in a technical, theoretical, philosophical, or historical way means to speak of musicology.

Musicology-composition does not exist. There are specialized branches of musicology that deal with musical analysis and the history of composition, which can also become veeeery specialized (in the sense that a musical analyst may base their academic career on a single model of analysis applied to a single repertoire), but which in theory never rely on the concept of composition taught in schools today, namely the idea that a student develops their own compositional language by learning techniques synchronously. Musicologists do not know how to write music and they do not pose the problem of doing so. Then, if you are also a composer, well, that's your passion. But a musicologist should not say "I would have done this differently"; they must always relate to it in a historical manner. And here lies the other flaw of a course like the one at the Milan Conservatory: historical training. Whether one likes it or not, musicology falls within the humanities. It is fundamental that an ANALYST musicologist has specific musical knowledge, but it is also necessary that they know the history of literature, the history of philosophy, the history of theater, cinema, etc., etc. Even more so, it is necessary that even their teachers know all these things. And indeed, the great icons of world musicology are essentially historians or philosophers. The five music history courses in three years that I see in the study plan make no sense if you don't know Italian literature...

But regardless of this, I repeat, the subject "musicology-composition" does not exist. If, unfortunately, you want to be a musicologist, you must study musicology, and if you want to be a composer, you must study composition.

This also serves to say that I am not inherently opposed to the idea of opening musicology courses in conservatories. That is, as things stand today in conservatories, for me, even music history should not be taught as a complementary subject, given that the recruitment systems are ridiculous. But if a virtuous conservatory decided to choose good teachers, then musicology courses would be very welcome, provided they are done WITHOUT 36 credits of composition and done in collaboration with Italian universities for the other humanities subjects. The Como Conservatory collaborates with the university for the sound engineering course and offers specific courses on electroacoustic music history and other things like that. They didn't open a course of their own called "musician assistant-sound engineer" and stuffing it with nonsense...

Because, moreover, things must also be looked at specifically. "History of theory and treatises" in a conservatory—who teaches it?! There must be 20 European experts in such a subject... if we want to do the

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