Piano with solvable technical problems or to be thrown away?

P.S. the action should be Renner, on the brand emblem that is on the frame, under the strings, there is an adhesive sticker attached.

It seems to me that substitutions have been made!!! When restoring, one must keep the old parts... because otherwise it is difficult to trace back, if something goes wrong, to the true "identity" of the piano. None of the things you are telling me should happen except for one: it is correct that by operating the left pedal, the hammers play on two strings. This is to play more softly....but it is not that simple to regulate. I believe it is a very good piano....the technician... perhaps..... less good"}

Thank you!

I believe the technician was hardworking; when the piano was his, before purchasing it, by trying it I perceived a particular care for the instrument.. as far as competence is concerned, he is the best in the area according to many, he is the only AIARP member in my city.

I have another question, a little while ago I read a post where they were talking about the key weight, which upon return should be well-adherent to the finger..... I feel little adherence, a rather slow return, could it be that perhaps those hammers he installed, being significantly smaller when compared - as I wrote above - with the last one of the bass part that was left, would also be lighter and therefore the key takes more time to rise..

What would this AIARP be?

lory wrote:

What would this AIARP be?

AIARP is "the Italian association of piano tuners and repairers"

In practice, to become a member, one must obtain a European certification according to very high standards; in theory, it should be a guarantee of suitability that attests to a very high level of competence in the field, and then the names of the members are published in national and European magazines—for example, citing one I know, "Suonare News"... but only after having been awarded the second-level certificate (i.e., the one concerning grand pianos); instead, after passing the first-level exams (which only concern upright pianos), no certificate is issued, but it is the requirement to face the subsequent one.

http://www.aiarp.it/

On the site, in case you are interested in taking a look, you can find information and telephone numbers for technicians in your area, in the section Albo Soci > Ordinari > Per regione

I understand, practically it would be yet another trade association.

Here it is!

pianoexpert wrote:

Here!

?? I mean, do you agree Pianoexpert?

Rather, I would like to know by whom these category associations are recognized. Are they recognized at a national, European, or world level? What I want to understand is who guarantees to me that such an association is made up solely and exclusively of competent people?

I mean, I could also wake up tomorrow morning and open the PDCI association, acronym for Italian Concert Pianists, then form a caste by advertising myself, with the sole purpose of guaranteeing myself work by projecting an image of professionalism. And what about work for everyone else? In this way, I might think that they are the ones controlling who should work and who shouldn't once a certain hegemony has been acquired.

Dear Lory... you are very sharp!!!! I believe you have intelligently given yourself the answers. I respect all the members of AIARP and their professionalism... even if not everyone, among those I have met, seems truly competent to me. The categories give strength to the members and offer a hypothetical guarantee to those looking for a competent professional. This Forum, in addition to many other objectives, aims to open a front of understanding regarding piano technology. The pianist must not be unaware of what is happening to their instrument. They can learn to understand what causes their dissatisfactions and know how to dialogue with their technician in a more satisfying way.

Another disease that creeps around is often the jealousy of knowledge. Those who know and those who discover... keep it to themselves! Those who don't know... spread gossip.

I have often told my story as a pianist in other posts. I couldn't hear a coherent discourse with that of another subsequent person who came to my house to care for and improve my instrument. It is absolutely necessary to understand what the technician is doing and to listen carefully to what they propose. This regardless of their competence. To be blunt, many professionals (not just piano technicians) work at different levels depending on who they have in front of them. This behavior must be abandoned!!!! Professionalism (obviously different from being a professional) must be independent of the context. Once an orchestral musician said to Stravinsky, who was conducting a rehearsal of his music: "Maestro, tomorrow we will be in New York.... there one must play well..." And he replied: "...Why... shouldn't one play well everywhere?"

Did you understand Lory? The girl is very intelligent and perceptive!

pianoexpert wrote:

Dear Lory... you are very sharp!!!! I believe you have intelligently given yourself the answers. I respect all the members of AIARP and their professionalism... even if not everyone, among those I have met, seems truly competent to me. Categories give strength to members and offer a hypothetical guarantee to those looking for a competent professional. This Forum, in addition to many other objectives, wants to open a front of understanding regarding piano technology. The pianist must not be unaware of what is happening to their instrument. They can learn to understand what causes their dissatisfaction and know how to dialogue with their technician in a more satisfying way.

Another disease that creeps around is often the jealousy of knowledge. Those who know and those who discover... keep it to themselves! Those who don't know... spread gossip.

I have often told my story as a pianist in other posts. I couldn't hear a coherent discourse with that of another subsequent person who came to my house to care for and improve my instrument. One absolutely must understand what the technician is doing and listen carefully to what they propose. This regardless of their competence. To be blunt, many professionals (not just piano technicians) work at different levels depending on who they have in front of them. This behavior must be abandoned!!!! Professionalism (obviously different from professionalism/careerism) must be independent of the context. Once, an orchestral musician said to Stravinsky, who was conducting a rehearsal of his music: "Master, tomorrow we will be in New York.... there one must play well..." And he replied: "...Why... shouldn't one play well everywhere?"

lory wrote:

?? So you agree, Pianoexpert?

Rather, I would like to know by whom these professional associations are recognized. Are they recognized at a national, European, or world level? What I want to understand is who guarantees me that such an association is made solely and exclusively of competent people?

Vow mean, I could also wake up tomorrow morning and open the PDCI association, acronym for Italian Concert Pianists, then form a caste by advertising myself, with the sole purpose of guaranteeing myself work by giving an image of professionalism. And what about work for everyone else? In this way, I might think that they are the ones controlling who should work and who shouldn't once a certain hegemony is acquired.

Not only can I fully agree with you! "In theory, it should be a guarantee," but truly ONLY in theory.

As I always say, it is a great fortune that today we are on this forum to be able to discuss and exchange information thanks to the web.

So far, I have not had the chance to compare his work with that of another technician; I have relied on what I have heard said, being unable to make comparisons.

It's very true, Pianoexpert! It seems like they keep state secrets when they work, extremely jealous of their craft. It is not positive at all if I don't understand what he is doing when a problem arises, and especially if that problem can be solved by doing other work or replacements because HE NEVER PROPOSES THEM.

That is exactly his problem; he doesn't propose anything, he only does what is asked of him, at the expense of the ignorance of the person in front of him.

When I had my other piano, the upright, he never really proposed anything, he only did 2 things in total besides tuning it: once he did a hammer voicing, and another time he said the keyboard was too uneven and he tightened it, but without giving precise details.

Then I broke a lot of bass strings (more than 10), and also some trebles, and every time I asked him why, he told me I played too loudly, but it seemed to me that the hammers were quite hard and worn, I dare say today...

But at the time, unfortunately, I didn't know all these things and therefore couldn't pay attention to them, because besides, I didn't have the opportunity to compare with other instruments...

I was the one who told him that there were frictions lately in the grand piano; he blamed the humidity and the cold, which indeed occurred this year, but he didn't propose anything else.

And in the end, the ridiculous question: "Is it okay with you like this?"

What kind of questions are those! It is evident that he also senses what should be fixed, but he says nothing; this is truly unprofessional.

I agree with what you said, profound respect! They work based on who they have in front of them.

As soon as he comes back to replace the dampers, if he isn't 100% satisfied with the stool, he won't budge. Do I need threats? Well XD

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pianoexpert wrote:

Once an orchestral musician said to Stravinsky, who was conducting a rehearsal of his music: "Master, tomorrow we will be in New York.... there one must play well..." And he replied: "...Why... shouldn't one play well everywhere?"

P.S. another phrase that fits perfectly with Pianoexpert's discussion

Do you know what he told me when I pointed out the problem of the dampers not all lifting simultaneously?

"But that is a very precise adjustment that must be made during the concert"

This seems to me to be exactly the crux of everything, there I should have replied like him..

pianoexpert wrote:

Once an orchestral player said to Stravinsky, who was conducting a rehearsal of his music: "Master, tomorrow we will be in New York.... there one must play well..." And he replied: "...Why... shouldn't one play well everywhere?"

And indeed Schumann wrote:

15. Always play as if you were in the presence of a master.

I, being more prudent, must say that the matter may be analogous to the discussion we were having about conservatories.

I mean... Good teachers only in conservatories? Nooo... Good teachers in conservatories and outside of conservatories, as well as less skilled teachers inside and outside of conservatories. In this case, I believe the same logic applies: very skilled technicians in AIARP and outside of AIARP, and less skilled technicians in AIARP as well as outside of AIARP.

If we view these statements as a theorem, this theorem gives us two postulates:

1) To believe that all technicians in a category are at the same level of preparation is totally absurd. It would be like saying that engineers who graduate from the same university all get the same grades and are all prepared in the same way, which is madness.

2) Based on the first postulate, the fact that it is an 'association' does not give us the certainty that the interventions of a technician belonging to the category will be better than those of a non-category technician.

And with this post, we have covered our .... Aahahahahahah