Pieces containing twelfth chords

There isn't much that is not arpeggiated as far as I know. I seem to remember a dyad on the left. As for arpeggios, there is Chopin's Etude op. 10 no. 11, just to give an example...

I know Alkan's piano concerto, Henselt's, Rachmaninoff op 32 number 13 and his concertos, with some elevenths, but nothing more. Let me know if you find anything with twelfths.

Be4stElectrjc wrote:

Do you know any pieces that contain twelfth chords? Obviously not arpeggiated and to be played with one hand alone without helping with the other.

Two questions:

- actual chords or are dyads sufficient?

- Do you mean that the piece contains sections that proceed by twelfths, or is it enough for a piece to contain only one?

I'll say something silly, but if you transcribe all the organ pieces that contain the principal + only duodecima in the recording

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripieno_%28registro_d%27organo%29

it's a deal

Oscar Peterson had great hands, obviously there is a lot of improvisation. You should check the Jazz Exercises (sheet music exists for these).

It is not excluded that something ad hoc could be written, do they serve you or someone with some nice "little hands"?

ttw wrote:

Two questions:

- full chords or are dyads enough?

- Do you mean that the piece should contain sections that proceed by twelfths, or is it enough that a piece contains only one?

If there are chords, perhaps five-voice ones, like the classic Rachmaninoff chord, C G C Eb G; otherwise, a dyad is also fine. I mean a piece that contains one or two chords.

Organista94 wrote:

I'll say something silly, but if you transcribe all the organ pieces that contain in the recording the principals + only duodecima

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripieno_%28registro_d%27organo%29

it's a done deal

I play Cesar Franck when I want to stretch on the organ.

OscarP wrote:

Oscar Peterson had great hands, obviously there is a lot of improvisation. You should check the Jazz Exercises (scores exist for these).

I don't like Jazz, but I'll take a look; it certainly won't be more of an exercise than Rachmaninoff's 3rd concerto.

Gerardo wrote:

It is not excluded that something ad hoc could be written, do they serve you or someone with very skilled "little hands"?

I can play a twelfth; they are for me, to stretch.

Be4stElectrjc wrote:

certamente it won't be more of an exercise than Rachmaninoff's 3rd concerto.

It depends on what you need to practice.

Jazz Exercises, besides being beautiful and interesting, are born for improvisation... and given Peterson's language, good luck trying to line up block chords containing sixteenth notes, if one can even do it. Unfortunately I can't, but if you can... it would be a tremendous exercise, more so than Rachmaninoff's 3rd concerto and certainly much more creative too.

Be4stElectrjc wrote:

I can play a twelfth, I need them to stretch.

Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by stretching (I mean in relation to the piano)? Thanks in advance

OscarP wrote:

It depends on what you need to practice.

Besides being beautiful and interesting, Jazz Exercises are born for improvisation... and given Peterson's language, good luck putting together Block chords containing sixteenth notes, if one can even do it. Unfortunately, I can't, but if you can... it would be a massive exercise, more so than Rachmaninoff's 3rd Concerto and certainly much more creative.

You've made me want to watch it even more.

Aspirante wrote:

Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by stretching (I mean in relation to the piano)? Thanks in advance

Regarding chords, always putting thumb and pinky more in a horizontal line, to reach further in terms of keys played.

Be4stElectrjc wrote:

Mi hai fatto venire ancor più voglia di guardarci.

In effetti OscarP ha ragione, ce li ho in pdf, e sono certo che a qualsiasi pianista che si avvicini a quegli esercizi, anche se a digiuno di improvvisazione, possa venire voglia di "pasticciare" un po' o anche regalarsi delle belle improvvisazioni.

Be4stElectrjc wrote:

Regarding chords, always keep the thumb and pinky more in a horizontal line, to reach further in terms of keys played.

If we look at it from a pure technique standpoint, there is an exercise by Mozzati specifically dedicated to hand opening; it is called "Squarcio".

I took a look at the jazz exercises, I find them quite fun to spend an evening with; I don't think Mozzati's Squarcio will be useful to me, they certainly aren't as crazy as Alkan, I don't know if you have seen the arpeggios he writes, it's more than just opening the hand. Is there another composer that might suit my needs?

You made me want to hear you play, I am curious about this search for pieces with great openness. Post some videos...

Be4stElectrjc wrote:

Do you know any pieces that contain twelfth chords? Obviously not arpeggiated and to be played with one hand alone without helping with the other.

...and they tell me I write like a fool...

(If you are interested, I can send you some sheet music...)