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Private teacher? Get out of here!

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This is the letter sent to the directors of the conservatories of Italy regarding the new ministerial decree by Minister Bruno Civello.

Protocol: no. 5908 Rome, October 4, 2010

To the Directors

Music Conservatories

Equivalent Musical Institutes

THEIR OFFICES

Subject: academic years 2010/2011: new teaching regulations: D.M. no. 124 of September 30, 2009 - D.P.R. 212/2005

With ministerial decree no. 124 of September 30, 2009, the teaching regulations for first-level

study courses at Music Conservatories and Equivalent Musical Institutes have been defined.

With their issuance, the experimental phase regarding the new teaching-regulatory

framework of Institutions of higher artistic and musical education is definitively concluded; therefore, it is appropriate

to provide the necessary indications to achieve uniform behavior in managing the issues

resulting from the long transition period toward the new regulatory framework, arising from reform law 508/1999.

In this regard, it is noted that with the adoption of the new teaching regulations, it will no longer be possible, from the next

academic year, to access a training path according to the old regulation.

However, as established in paragraph 4 of art. 12 of the cited D.P.R. 212/2005, until the activation of basic musical

and choreographic training within primary and secondary education, it will be possible to modulate the educational

offer even for this segment of education. It is therefore necessary to identify teaching paths that,

although they cannot be carried out according to previous schemes, nevertheless ensure adequate preparation,

which must be certified through the verification of acquired musical skills, in order to allow

admission to the higher three-year degree.

Furthermore, it would be appropriate for the courses in question to be configured in a way that makes them consistent with

the studies carried out at musical high schools (licei musicali), which, as is known, have found their first limited implementation

from the current 2010/2011 school year.

Finally, this is an opportunity to invite the Honorable Offices to responsibly take appropriate initiatives aimed

at best organizing teaching activities that allow for the full utilization of teachers in service within the Institution,

also as a function of preparatory training for access to higher-level study courses.

The Director General

- Giorgio Bruno Civello -

This is (in my opinion) the shameful letter from Civello, who literally sees years of study by private candidates being destroyed. The 'teaser' of the letter reads at the bottom... You graduate within this year? Well, otherwise bye! I happened to speak with a teacher from the S. Cecilia conservatory, whose name I obviously cannot mention. What came out of it left me, to say the least, perplexed and stunned. He was complaining, in fact, that the courses of the new regulation for complementary harmony for pianists consisted of just 72 annual hours compared to not knowing how many hundreds in the old regulation. He also mentioned that the exam programs of the new regulation are diminished compared to those of the old regulation. To finish this paraphrase, what can be inferred from the conversation is that this new regulation will no longer produce pianists but pseudo-pianists who will have a superficial knowledge of the music world but will not have the ironclad preparation of the old graduates who boast a diploma obtained through the study of a rigorous program. Obviously, this is just my opinion; other opinions are welcome.

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Reply 2 by stefano

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Hi, thesimon, since I'm here, I want to compliment you on the site and the forum, which I don't think will be long before it becomes populated. As far as the reform of the conservatories is concerned, I perfectly agree with you. I also study as a private student and I am finding it truly difficult. I am at the 5th year of piano and, in light of this situation, I believe I will not continue my studies. Along with piano, I study at university, so it would become difficult for me to attend both the conservatory and the university, assuming I would pass the conservatory admission. I believe that in my same situation there are many people who have chosen a course of study that projects us more easily into the world of work. Music, as we know, at least in Italy does not pay unless you are a Pollini of the moment, which is very difficult. Therefore, in making a choice, one often relies much more on a university education that "guarantees" a greater chance in the world of work rather than a diploma in piano, or a degree in piano as it were.

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Reply 3 by Thesimon

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Hello Stefanus and welcome to our discussion forum. Thank you for the compliments, it's always a pleasure, especially when there has been and will be much more work behind what has been done, also spending a lot of money, to offer a service free for all users. My advice is not to get discouraged; if it is a passion for you, continue studying and forget the Civello laws; certainly, it's very frustrating but in the end, the pianist is the one who knows how to play, and behind this word lies a world, not just someone who simply has a piece of paper in hand. You can't imagine how many people I have heard without a piece of paper who play even better than graduates. So continue your studies; you never know, maybe tomorrow this law will change and you will be able to take the conservatory exams again. Study the 8th and 10th grade programs; there are very beautiful pieces like Beethoven's sonatas, romantic pieces like the Andante spianato and the Grande Polacca Brillante, the Berceuse; for the 10th, you have the Ballade in F minor; in short, keep studying and you will see that everything that is culture will never be wasted time, even if in Italy they do everything to slow down culture!

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Reply 4 by torrese

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thesimon wrote:

Hi Stefanus and welcome to our discussion forum. Thank you for the compliments, it's always a pleasure, especially when there has been and will be much more work behind what has been done, also spending a lot of money, to offer a service free for all users. My advice is not to get discouraged; if it is your passion, continue studying and forget the Civello laws; sure, it's very frustrating, but in the end, the pianist is the one who knows how to play, and behind this word lies a world, not just someone who simply has a piece of paper in hand. You can't imagine how many people without a piece of paper I have heard playing even better than graduates. So continue your studies; you never know, maybe tomorrow this law will change and you will be able to take the conservatory exams again. Study the 8th and 10th grade programs; there are very beautiful pieces like Beethoven's sonatas, romantic pieces like the andante spianato and the grande polacca brillante, the berceuse; for the 10th, you have the Ballade in F minor; in short, keep studying and you will see that everything that is culture will never be wasted time, even if in Italy they do everything to curb culture!

I completely agree with thesimon, a piece of paper is useless if you are mediocre, but it is needed to compete in orchestras and so on...

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Reply 5 by pianoexpert

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I also agree with Simone and join in rejecting the shameful limitation, or rather, closure, towards private students. Furthermore, I would add that many excellent teachers exist and are not "from the Conservatory." This is a way to limit the Voice of Culture and Music and to forever "gift" the "scepter" of elite teachers to the "masters of the steam" [those in power]. One must not be discouraged. The "piece of paper" [diploma] is useless. I too, despite having received precious teachings, was a private student in my time and did not pay the "dues." However, I also remember great conductors like Marcello Abbado, who even awarded me a few 10s despite some "insiders." Great recognition, not to me but to my teachers, the last true heirs of great piano schools (Zecchi, Bajardi, Casella, etc.).

So let us not be discouraged and let us continue to practice our music with serenity, even if someone thinks that A-list pianists can only be those who enter through the "door" of the Conservatory.

Good Music to all

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Reply 6 by Francesco

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What????? And here I was hoping to be able to take the exam at a conservatory as a private student... Everything down the drain?????!!!!!! I join Simone and all those who think so too ... It is AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!

This shows how much today's society cares about culture!!!!

PS sorry for my outburst, but when it's needed, it's needed!!! Bye!!

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Reply 7 by Dave

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How sad! ๐Ÿ˜• Anyway, I don't get discouraged; I study and play this wonderful instrument because I love, adore, and live for music, period! ๐Ÿ˜‰

And then I wonder, did the great composers have a piece of paper in hand? It doesn't seem so to me! Passion, study, and dedication, in addition to natural talent, are the qualities needed regardless of whether the piano bench is in a Conservatory or at one's own home! "Quidquid velis, potes", to will is to be able! We live in an era where despite the world going backwards, we don't have the communication limits of the past; books are now within everyone's reach, and now there is also the web. So if someone sets a goal and is truly intent on reaching it, they will stop at nothing!

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Reply 8 by Francesco

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exactly Pianoscholar ... we study music because we love it ... and - allow me this expression - we don't give a damn about the often stupid decisions made for the "management" ๐Ÿ˜• of culture... We live for music and that's it, if it is not possible to obtain a simple diploma ... Better times will come!!!

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Reply 9 by Thesimon

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I am pleased to hear these words and I give you all my support. However, we must face society because we live in a society.

Therefore, there may be mediocre graduates and non-graduates who are excellent; however, in a workplace, unfortunately, what always matters is the piece of paper regardless of skill, and forgive the term, but this is an earned load of bullshit! And I say this even though, God willing, I will have time to get my piece of paper in September!

Furthermore, I would add that you cannot imagine how many times I have happened to speak with people who have a conservatory diploma (piano and other musical instruments) or a degree, and I don't even know how they managed to get it! That is society... Meritocracy must be rewarded, the people who are prepared, not those who just have the piece of paper. Just look at the CEPU centers. People who cannot pass an exam one year suddenly arrive at these prodigious schools and manage to take even 12 exams a year!! Turn off the televisions and turn on your brains, people!!

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Reply 10 by Francesco

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It's true Simone, you are right too... that you should get your piano diploma, if I'm not mistaken... well, best wishes and, since you are good... "make yourself known"!!!

I also agree... we should reward not just those who have the "piece of paper," but those who are truly good...

Eheh, a little story comes to mind... a friend of mine (who has been studying piano for a few years, and whom I should introduce to you and have register here) has a rather good Yamaha upright ... and he's jealous because his uncle has a magnificent Steinway grand piano !!! At the same time ... his uncle is jealous, because ... HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE PIANO, since he "only" inherited it ๐Ÿ˜• ! It's the limit...

Hi!!! Francesco 1797

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Reply 12 by Francesco

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๐Ÿ˜•๐Ÿ˜‰ ;) Agreed... eheh ๐Ÿ˜‰ ! As long as they don't decide to swap it... the last time I saw them, they were even talking about this !!!

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Reply 13 by Thesimon

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How beautiful! Often my uncle also asks me to exchange his programming code that doesn't work on my PC so I can fix it for him! It's a fair trade to swap a vertical piano for a Steinway Grand Piano.

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Reply 14 by Francesco

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Eh yes, in fact the exchange isn't very even ... in the end my friend would be at an advantage ... ๐Ÿ˜† ...but the exchange would make both of them happy !!! ๐Ÿ™‚

Anyway let's not get off topic ... I would also like to hear other opinions on this stupid ๐Ÿ˜† Civello protocol ...

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Reply 15 by maquieto

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Piano study is the study of life. I have never thought about working with music, even though it would be incredible, but in the sense that I have always studied out of a need to say something that could only be said in that way. The diploma matters little, as Simon says, and I agree with him that I have listened to heaps of pianists with pieces of paper who did everything except make music. Always study and never stop. Personally, I have my fifth year but I can't wait to tackle new things and study harmony since I left it halfway through while preparing for the eighth. Hello everyone.

P.S. Life is not a tax receipt of how much you spend or how much salary you earn. Sometimes you manage to move someone with a little piece of Kabalevsky, let alone! It is music that must interest us, and not being able to get to La Scala in Milan or similar places. Many paths lead only to sadness and forget the music. Music, instead, gives only joy. Thank you.

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Reply 16 by maquieto

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I forgot! It's like this in all fields now, even in Art Academies! All pseudo-something but no one who studies seriously with grit and severity. An unworthy future awaits us!.

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