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Recording In "Live" Input

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Opening post by Oracolo

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What is the best solution for recording "live"?

I mean without the possibility of connecting to the amplification system.

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Reply 4 by Thesimon

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It depends on the quality you want to achieve... To record without too many pretensions, you can even use a recorder like a Zoom H4. If you are looking for high quality, things change, both in terms of expense and in terms of skills.

Let us know your intentions, we can talk about it...

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Reply 5 by Oracolo

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Thanks for now, let's just say I go to a concert and turn on the camera at hand... anything better?

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Reply 6 by Thesimon

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If you go to a concert and want to make an amateur recording, then I would really opt for the Zoom H4n.

If instead you have to provide sound reinforcement for a pianist and you have access to the stage, then I recommend two DPA4006 in an A-B configuration at a height between 2/3 and 5/7 of the lid, which corresponds to about 2 meters. The distance of the microphones from the piano depends on the degree of reverberation in the room. You will have to do some testing. The capsules must be about half a meter apart from each other.

Otherwise, if you prefer a more internal perspective, then, still staying with DPA, you must opt for two 4021 in an ORTF configuration with 110° capsules inside the piano. About 20 centimeters distance between the microphones and 20 centimeters height from the strings. The capsules must be oriented downwards at 30° relative to the plane of the strings and must point toward the hammer area if you are looking for mechanical noises; otherwise, move slightly further back towards the tail. I advise against aiming at the hammers if the piano has little volume.

Obviously, all this should be accompanied by an excellent audio interface with an excellent analog-to-digital converter, otherwise it is useless.

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Reply 7 by Oracolo

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Thanks TheSimon

TheSimon wrote:

If you go to a concert and want to make an amateur recording, then I would really opt for the Zoom H4n.

This one?

http://www.google.it/products/catalog?hl=it&q=Zoom+H4n&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38626820&biw=1204&bih=857&wrapid=tlif135290892986110&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=12554637551543655499&sa=X&ei=gsCjUNrAHsXLhAf44IHgAg&ved=0CEsQ8wIwAQ

http://www.google.it/products/catalog?hl=it&q=Zoom+H4n&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38626820&biw=1204&bih=857&wrapid=tlif135290892986110&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=12554637551543655499&sa=X&ei=gsCjUNrAHsXLhAf44IHgAg&ved=0CEsQ8wIwAQ

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Reply 8 by Thesimon

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Exactly, that's the one, in XY configuration

This one is also better if positioned correctly.

In XY I would give a "stage side" stereo image, but obviously everyone has their own tastes.

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Reply 9 by foster12

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I use a very cute and practical Jammin HR5. The quality-price ratio is excellent. Light years away from the microphones on digital cameras or those little camcorders they sell at the supermarket.

To combine the video with the audio, I use Virtual Dub, which is very lightweight, free, and does NOT need to be installed.

I measure the attack time of the audio and the attack time of the video. I calculate the difference between the two times, and that will be the delay to insert into Virtual Dub.

In less than a minute, you get a good video clip.

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Reply 10 by Oracolo

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foster12 wrote:

I use a very cute and practical Jammin HR5.

How much can it cost? Useful links to learn more? I was just deciding on my Christmas gift

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Reply 11 by foster12

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Maximum 100 euros. They also sell a very cute, practical small music stand

http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_nkw=jammin+hr-5

If you are interested in the audio of this video, I captured it with the jamminHR5 in low quality. It is equipped with 4 microphones and captures the bass very well.

I repeat, the quality/price ratio is high.

http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_nkw=jammin+hr-5

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Reply 12 by foster12

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Another link.

http://www.strumentimusicali.net/product_info.php/cPath/35_124/products_id/10881/jammin-pro-hr-5-black-+-stand-omaggio!.html

Negative aspect. The internal memory is vast if you want to record in MP3. It becomes obsolete if you decide to record at maximum resolution in Wav format.

It's a must, the purchase of a memory card of at least 4GB for prolonged recordings.

Furthermore, it devours batteries.

http://www.strumentimusicali.net/product_info.php/cPath/35_124/products_id/10881/jammin-pro-hr-5-black-+-stand-omaggio!.html

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Reply 13 by Thesimon

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This Foster already appeals to me. Good! Excellent advice and I like people who advise based on their own experiences. Well done!

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Reply 14 by foster12

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Eh eh, thanks Simon.

Clearly IF we are not satisfied with the 4 integrated microphones of the HR5, there is always an input line that can be connected to another microphone.

For the uses I have, I have never felt this need.

For more serious requirements (provided they can be met by this small recorder), higher-performance microphones need to be connected.

The issue of acquisition volume could be a critical point. It is manageable via an ungraded knob (a potentiometer). It is easy to make it saturate because it is very sensitive.

In my home recordings, I had to stop the pendulum clock in the next room.

I had to silence the stool, add some felt between the pedals, and take some plates off the kitchen walls.

A lot of flaws are coming up...

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Reply 15 by Ray1

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What is the technical name for a professional recording via microphone setup, as an alternative to amateur recordings with video cameras, iPads, or the suggested "zoom h4n" or "Jammin HR5"?

Thank you

Reply 19 by Historical author

TheSimon wrote:

If you go to a concert and want to make an amateur recording, then I would really opt for the Zoom H4n.

Regarding the Zoom h4n - Digital Recorder with SD Memory included, is the use of microphones provided separately?

I am not an expert and I didn't quite understand if they are necessary and how they should be "mounted"/positioned.

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Reply 20 by Thesimon

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The Zoom H4n has two microphones for X-Y stereo recording. Alternatively, it has an XLR microphone input and a Jack line input with a high-impedance Hi-Z selector to connect, for example, guitars. Having only one XLR connector with Phantom power, you can only connect one external mic. But when you need to connect external microphones, honestly, I don't see the point in buying the Zoom. With the same amount of money, you can get a decent external audio interface, even used, which surely has better preamps and converters than the Zoom. NB. I say this because I assume that if you want to connect external sources like microphones, you already have...

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