Schenkerian analysis...curiosity

Hi. I have never particularly appreciated Schenkerian analysis. Do the basses really get marked at the top? Do you have an example?

Zedef, I just sent you Schenker: "Five Graphic Music Analyses" ... it might always come in useful

frank could you send it to me too? i'm missing the charts.....

thanks

Ludovica, what do you mean by "the bass notes are marked at the top?"

I suspect it refers to the Ursatz

Tiger wrote:

Ludovica, what do you mean by "the basses are marked high?"

I meant precisely the deep structure, which ultimately consists of the harmonic foundations... hence "the basses".

eh no, Ludovica, è un fraintendimento :-) le Ursatz non sono "in fin dei conti" i bassi :-) una delle cose interessanti di Schenker è proprio il fatto che unisce il Bassbrechung (cioè il movimento armonico) ad un movimento contrappuntistico, la Urlinie. Cioè, per fare le Ursatz, ci vogliono sia i bassi che la melodia

Ok Thallo, I understand... so you are proposing the various parts in order of importance ...

what do you mean by "the various parts"?

Keep in mind that any discussion on Schenkerian analysis is a complex discussion... it doesn't seem to me that a specific discussion on Schenkerian analysis has ever taken place in the forum, but it has been chatted about several times here and there. For me, from what I know of Schenkerian analysis and what follows it, the important thing is to understand that Schenker performed a limited and precise number of analyses, which are there, "drawn" and reasoned in a precise way. All those who came after and analyzed "in the Schenkerian manner" adapted the system, the theory, and the notations to their own needs, or to the needs of the repertoire they had to analyze.

But I don't want to start a general discussion on the subject

Thallo, I am not an expert in this type of analysis methodology either, but looking specifically at Schenker's Five Graphic Music Analyses (and not others)... I noticed this thing. Do you have the book? That way we are talking about the same thing

thallo wrote:

one of the interesting things about Schenker is precisely the fact that he joins the Bassbrechung (that is, the harmonic movement) with a contrapuntal movement, the Urlinie. That is, to make the Ursatz, you need both the bass and the melody

But are the basses marked in the low register or in the treble? Now I am curious

Tiger, I'll pass you a little example so you can draw directly from the source