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Schubert ..."romantic"

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I read on Wikipedia:

Franz Peter Schubert (Vienna, 31 January 1797 - Vienna, 19 November 1828) was an Austrian composer of Romantic music.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Schubert

That "composer of Romantic music" seems like a very debatable statement to me; I would rather say the last exponent of Viennese Classicism, who lives and works in a period of great transformations, in which Romanticism is at the doorstep and is indeed already present in spirit in Schubert's work. But from there to defining him "Romantic"....

You who are more cultured and enlightened than I?

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Schubert

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Reply 2 by Dino

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Proceed without delay to edit the page, there is a specific button clearly visible. As you know, Wikipedia works this way. If someone doesn't like it, you will find

an additional "improvement."

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Reply 3 by Marzapane

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In the course of history, it is categorized as romantic... I am not an expert, but that "half/half" one is Beethoven

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Reply 4 by BackSpace

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Schubert uses "classical" forms (apart from lieder and improvisations) - in a classical way - with "romantic" content. Different from Mendelssohn, who uses "romantic" forms - in a romantic way - with often "classical" content

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Reply 5 by Rotore

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Marzapane wrote:

In the course of history, he is cataloged as romantic... I am no expert, but that "half/half" one is Beethoven

WALTER RIEZLER - BEETHOVEN - RUSCONI 1977

http://www.ebay.it/itm/WALTER-RIEZLER-BEETHOVEN-RUSCONI-1977-/221002349689?pt=IT_Libri_Romanzi_Narrativa&hash=item3374c43c79

The entire book pursues the purpose of explaining that Beethoven is not "romantic" ...

http://www.ebay.it/itm/WALTER-RIEZLER-BEETHOVEN-RUSCONI-1977-/221002349689?pt=IT_Libri_Romanzi_Narrativa&hash=item3374c43c79

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Reply 6 by thallo

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Romanticism in poetry and literature takes hold PRECISELY during the period in which Schubert lived. What we consider romantic music (Mendelssohn, Schumann, Chopin etc.) is late compared to literary romanticism. If we consider romanticism as the poetic-literary movement born between Germany (Schlegel, Novalis...) and England (Wordsworth and Coleridge) in 1798 and ending more or less in 1830, Schubert (1797-1828) is the most romantic among the romantics

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Reply 7 by Xenakis

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I took a look at the foreign versions of the same entry.

On the English Wikipedia, in the introduction:

"Schubert is seen as one of the leading exponents of the early Romantic era in music and he remains one of the most frequently performed composers."

In the Latin language:

"Schubert videtur unus ex summis Aetatis Romanticae in musica adiutoribus et manet unus ex compositoribus saepissime auditis."

On the Spanish Wikipedia:

"considerado introductor del Romanticismo musical y la forma breve característica pero, a la vez, también continuador de la sonata clásica siguiendo el modelo de Ludwig van Beethoven."

This last one seems to me the most balanced; otherwise, one could copy the German and French entries, where the introduction does not indicate the type of music associated with Schubert's figure, referring everything to the interior of the entry, with all the complexities of stylistic attributions.

The fact remains that Thallo's post has its reasons

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Reply 9 by thallo

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But I know perfectly well that you only compliment me because I'm hot. It's the curse of us beautiful people, everyone treats us well for our bodies and nobody looks at our brains

anyway, even in the opera, the period of early Romanticism splendor is that one. Rossini's William Tell is from 1829, and even before this opera, almost all of Rossini's serious operas are romantic. It seems strange to think, especially because today we listen almost exclusively to Rossini buffo...

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Reply 10 by maestrosfredda

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I also agree that Schubert belongs to Romanticism, despite having very solid Viennese classical foundations. However, I would not indicate him this way at the beginning of an encyclopedia entry; it seems risky to me, like a sort of prejudicial "label." Therefore, I also recommend modifying the Wikipedia entry; readers will benefit from it: the in-depth discussion on whether or not the composer belongs to the Romantic movement can be appropriately treated within the entry itself.

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