Harmony and counterpoint

Secondary dominant

23 replies 4,284 views

Started by

Fox

Member

Member

Opening post by Fox

Posts
170
City
Italia

Hello everyone

Could someone explain to me in simple terms what a secondary dominant is and how and why it is obtained?

thanks a lot

Member

Reply 2 by Gassy

Posts
57

V7 before any chord (regardless of the functional degree)

Member

Reply 4 by Gassy

Posts
57

Classic C progression:

C+ Dm- G7 Am-

can become:

C+ (A7) Dm- (D7) G7 Am-

---

A7 and the V7 of Dm-

D7 is the V7 of G7

Member

Reply 8 by AbateFaria

Posts
640
City
-
Fox wrote:

and what is it used for?

To expand the tonal discourse, to emphasize certain degrees by turning them into tensions, to modulate...etc.

Member

Reply 10 by AbateFaria

Posts
640
City
-

No, it has already been explained to you in the other topic

At most, a secondary dominant is a tonicization and it is not certain that it must necessarily lead to a modulation.

Member

Reply 11 by Fox

Posts
170
City
Italia

Now I understand better thanks; so it is a sort of momentary transition, where the tonic is no longer determined by the first degree of the scale in question, but by a different degree of the same scale... I believe

Member

Reply 12 by Gassy

Posts
57

Practically it is a very brief modulation that only lasts for that moment, Clearly despite the A7 and D7, here you are clearly in C major

C+ (A7) D- (D7) G7 A-

Member

Reply 15 by Dante

Posts
275

If we wanted to analyze Gassy's example:

Gassy wrote:

Do+ (la7) re- (re7) sol7 la-

I V/II II V/V V VI

Member

Reply 16 by Dante

Posts
275
Fox wrote:

so it's a very brief modulation to a secondary tonic then?

Why do you feel the need to specify tonic? Maybe it's even another degree... it is what comes after in the case of modulation that decides it. But since it isn't a modulation, you can simply view it as a sort of harmonic punctuation (of C major in our example), analyzable as I wrote above.

Member

Reply 17 by Dante

Posts
275

Look at it this way, if it had happened:

C+ (A7) | D- (D7) | G7 C+ | A- (A7) | D7 E-

you would have

C major

I V7/II II V7/V V (which is the same as I I of G major) therefore then IV II V7/V7 VI specifically of G major

You see that the same chords have different functions and clearly, in my second example, it modulates to G major; modulation confirmed by other important degrees of the new tonality

Member

Reply 18 by Fox

Posts
170
City
Italia

specific tonic because from what I understand it temporarily tonicizes another chord of the key

automatically the V of II or the V of V, the V of VI etc. momentarily become the "new" tonic and therefore for example in the key of C Major the V of II is Am and Am will momentarily become (in a harmonic analysis) the I degree (that is to say the tonic of Am) ...I hope I'm not saying stupid things

it's just that I have many gaps

Member

Reply 19 by RedScharlach

Posts
496
City
-
Fox wrote:

for ex. in the key of C major, the V of II is A major and A major will momentarily (in a
harmonic analysis) become the I degree (that is, the tonic of A major)

No. In that case, it is D minor that momentarily becomes the "tonic", i.e., I.

Member

Reply 20 by Crisantemi

Posts
139
City
Brescia
RedScharlach wrote:

No. It is actually D minor which momentarily becomes the "tonic", i.e., I.

Exactly... every degree of a key can temporarily be I, and be preceded by its V, which thus becomes a dominant seventh, even if it was originally of a different quality. Therefore, it is defined as a "secondary dominant". The VII is an exception, as there is no degree located a perfect fifth above it...

Log in to participate